THN Futurewatch Flames ranking

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

what is their graduation criteria? I would have Ortio above Arnold and Kulak

I imagine he's still a prospect but keep in mind these rankings would have been set based on his cruddy Ahl season and not his recent strong NHL play which has happened after those rankings were determined

[flames_fan_down_under]

Good list IMO.

Would love to see how that list looks after this upcoming draft.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Good list IMO.

Would love to see how that list looks after this upcoming draft.

Whoever the Flames pick with their first will go right to the top. That's all I know.

[btimbit]

I'd bump both of our guys from Barrie up one position on the list, but other than that the ranking looks good. Definitely lacks the really top end forward talent but that likely gets addressed this coming draft

[albertGQ]

Just got my issue yesterday. I think we need to use one of our 2nd rounders on a goalie this year since they are such crapshoots. I wouldn't mind picking a goalie every 2 years in the second round.

[Bingo]

Guys point out Hamilton which of course is the biggest haul out of last year's draft, but imagine adding a first round pick, and two more seconds to last year's draft and how this list would look.

Barzal would be #1 I think for example.

Either way, still a strong list given the team's graduation rate of late.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah adding those traded picks from last year would really improve this group. Trading for Hamilton wasn't free obviously.

A number of guys on the list have yet to play in the pros (or very little as with Gillies). It's after a year or so in the A where you get a much better read and its interesting that some of our higher picks seem to have dropped (Klimchuk, Sieloff etc.). We need some players to steadily climb the list after turning pro.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

We need some players to steadily climb the list after turning pro.

We need fans to calm the #### down and realize development isn't a linear process. I mean writing off Poirier and Klimchuk? Two 21 year olds? Just stupid.

Fans tend to look at box scores and think that a guy scoring a lot is a better prospect than a guy who just does what his coach asks of him. I'll take the guy that does what the coach asks for. Mangiapane is the latest wunderkind because of his big numbers. I would still rate him well behind Poirier and Klimchuk, regardless of what the box scores tell you. It will be interesting to see what little Andrew Mangiapane will do at the AHL level, playing a system that is not conducive to scoring. I suspect he'll quickly fall into the bust category with many fans because he isn't putting up gaudy numbers. The pro game is different because players have to learn to play at both ends of the ice. There is no room for one way players, unless you are in the Edmonton Oilers system.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by New Era

We need fans to calm the #### down and realize development isn't a linear process. I mean writing off Poirier and Klimchuk? Two 21 year olds? Just stupid.

Fans tend to look at box scores and think that a guy scoring a lot is a better prospect than a guy who just does what his coach asks of him. I'll take the guy that does what the coach asks for. Mangiapane is the latest wunderkind because of his big numbers. I would still rate him well behind Poirier and Klimchuk, regardless of what the box scores tell you. It will be interesting to see what little Andrew Mangiapane will do at the AHL level, playing a system that is not conducive to scoring. I suspect he'll quickly fall into the bust category with many fans because he isn't putting up gaudy numbers. The pro game is different because players have to learn to play at both ends of the ice. There is no room for one way players, unless you are in the Edmonton Oilers system.

We're calm, but is it wrong to want to see a Flames prospect break out for a change?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by edslunch

We're calm, but is it wrong to want to see a Flames prospect break out for a change?

Guess what? In the system we play that is highly unlikely. You are not going to see a player explode and become an NHL sensation. Guys work their way through the minors for a reason. They are not elite at anything and they are expected to learn to play a complete game. Unless you have Johnny Hockey talent, you are headed to the minors and will learn to play the game the way the coaching staff expects. Personally I think they are over-coached and it hurts their instinctive play, the same instinctive play that got them to this level in the first place. But until things change in the coaching ranks you aren't going to see players break out in the manner you expect.

[Vulcan]

Sure Mangiapane may not turn out but if a player is drafted for his skill, he better be able to score at the amateur level. So far Mangiapane passes this test with flying colours.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by New Era

Guess what? In the system we play that is highly unlikely. You are not going to see a player explode and become an NHL sensation. Guys work their way through the minors for a reason. They are not elite at anything and they are expected to learn to play a complete game. Unless you have Johnny Hockey talent, you are headed to the minors and will learn to play the game the way the coaching staff expects. Personally I think they are over-coached and it hurts their instinctive play, the same instinctive play that got them to this level in the first place. But until things change in the coaching ranks you aren't going to see players break out in the manner you expect.

Is this not what lead to our cupboards being completely dry during the Sutter regime?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Sure Mangiapane may not turn out but if a player is drafted for his skill, he better be able to score at the amateur level. So far Mangiapane passes this test with flying colours.

For a 6th round pick it is all gravy at this point

[TheOnlyBilko]

We have never really had many "top prospects" in our system, in the past either. Bennett, Fata, Phaneuf, Nystrom, Krahn, Daniel Tkaczuk, Kobasew, Stillman and Trevor Kidd are pretty much this franchises top prospects since they were in Calgary.

Cupboards are DRY

[JiriHrdina]

He's #5.

[djsFlames]

Ugh, there's nothing interesting or new to discuss on the forum lately. We're left to debate someone's subjective ranking of our currently so-so prospect pool..

One thing I will say is Mangiapane looks like a player. 6th rounder, too!

[Harry Lime]

It's a discussion buried somewhere in the prospects thread, but klimchuk seems to be being groomed as a 'utility' type of player. A guy that can play up and down the lineup and not look out of place, and all forward positions.

On a playoff team, a guy like that has just a tonne of value. Not a skill set that lands on a lot of 'best of' lists though.

Self correction : lw-rw, not centre.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Ugh, there's nothing interesting or new to discuss on the forum lately!

Imagine the Oiler forums the last 10 years. ..

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by neo45

Is this not what lead to our cupboards being completely dry during the Sutter regime?

No, that was bad drafting and poor development.

You seem to be suggesting that the only alternative to poor development is no development at all.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, that was bad drafting and poor development.

You seem to be suggesting that the only alternative to poor development is no development at all.

One of the biggest reasons our cupboards were fairly bare in the Sutter regime was that Sutter usually traded our 2nd rounder away. The 2nd round is the best round for finding talent outside of the 1st and not having those 2nd rounders almost every year under Sutter was a huge, huge reason why the Flames didn't come up with more players.

Treliving has been great at acquiring 2nds. Which is huge long term for adding assets to the organization either through trade or drafting.