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Old 02-29-2016, 09:12 AM   #1
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Default Moderates Win In Iran's Election

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-el...ates-1.3468750

This could be a huge game changer.

As Iran's clerical branch of the government is aging, the moderate parliament will in all likelihood be tasked with picking replacements in the near future. This could be a new era for Iran and the Middle East as the timing is perfect for this shift.
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Old 02-29-2016, 09:15 AM   #2
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Old 02-29-2016, 09:21 AM   #3
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This could be a huge game changer.

As Iran's clerical branch of the government is aging, the moderate parliament will in all likelihood be tasked with picking replacements in the near future. This could be a new era for Iran and the Middle East as the timing is perfect for this shift.
Won't the clerics who replace the aging clerics be just as cleric-y?

As far as I understood it, the clerics are actually the ones who shape policy and hold power. The parliament is secondary to them in terms of decision making power.
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Headline should really be 'Iran stops rigging elections'.
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Old 02-29-2016, 09:37 AM   #6
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As I understand, Iran is the most likely place in the Middle East for a genuine liberal change to result purely from demographics. Western foreign policy has spent the last 40 years trying to make this not be so.
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Until they disband the Clerics council (I think its called over there) Seperate the Clerics from public policy (never going to happen), and either dis arm or disband their Revolutionary Guard, the crazies hold the power and the sway.
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So, the country we didn't bomb is changing on it's own?

Weird.
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Headline should really be 'Iran stops rigging elections'.
Unfortunately not, most of the reformists were barred from running in the election so the reformist slate was in fact mostly just slightly less conservative or just younger candidates.
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See, my question is always "what do you mean by that term". Does a "moderate" in Iranian terms mean they want to throw gay people out of the window of the 8th floor instead of off the roof?

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“There were a number [of candidates] … that weren’t really moderate,” Matt McInnis, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a former senior analyst for the U.S. Department of Defense specializing in Iran, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. He explained the idea that moderates won a victory over hardliners is “not really accurate” based on the fact that a significant portion of the true moderates were barred from running before the election even began.

All candidates running for office in Iran must be cleared by the Guardian Council, a small group of jurists and experts in Islamic law, handpicked by the supreme leader. Guardian Council members tend to weed out any potential candidates that could pose a threat to the hardline — the theocratic bloc led by the supreme leader. Over half of the candidates running for the Iranian parliament (Majles) and 80 percent of those running for Assembly of Experts were barred from running in Friday’s election.
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Good post. Your not incorrect. But it's important to note the leaders don't always (often) mirror the public views.

It'd be like judging America on Trump. (Of which I admit I do)

I've seen many docs which paint Iran as progressive. And normal. And actually very happy about Western culture in general.

They are like America (or Canada?) They have to pick the least of the evils. This is nothing new.
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Could be a big step forward, hopefully we'll see a new Iran with actual human rights very soon.

I won't hold my breath though as Iran has a history of blowing smoke...
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As I understand, Iran is the most likely place in the Middle East for a genuine liberal change to result purely from demographics. Western foreign policy has spent the last 40 years trying to make this not be so.
Been trying to tell people this for a long time, there is an inevitable change coming purely because of the demographics of the young people.

Iran if we stop messing with them and giving the clerics reason to blame everything on the west will modernize and liberalize.
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Unfortunately not, most of the reformists were barred from running in the election so the reformist slate was in fact mostly just slightly less conservative or just younger candidates.
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Out of 3,000 reformists who applied to run in this year's elections, just 200 made it through the vetting process.
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Vox does a pretty good summary of what the 2016 election could mean:



This isn't an overnight revolution, but it's a step in the right direction. It could mark a gradual change that takes place over the next generation. It has the potential to be an organic change, which I think is better. Fast revolutions are almost always bloody and if there is one thing we have learned is that violence begets violence.

Even the USA, which many consider the "leader of the free world", had slavery for almost a century after their democratic revolution and massive civil inequality until 40 years ago. Positive results aren't always instantaneous.
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