[Rumour] UPD: Dreger: Flames hoping to get two 2nds for Russell . Stars have shown interest

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Thanks for all the responses. Not trying to fear monger but after reading everyone's responses, I'd say the big difference between Johnny and Janko situations, is the Flames were essentially willing to write off a whole contract year and pay out a big bonus for one game of play the year he signed. That had to be huge from a Gaudreau perspective in being willing to sign, that and he could be super confident he'd be starting in Calgary. Not sure the Flames would be as willing on the contract front with Janko, and we are much deeper at centre with Monny and Bennett that I could understand how Janko might be more motivated to explore options.

Sounds like it's not likely, but I'd had to have that first rounder disappear after all the effort we've but in.

In the unlikely event he didn't sign you could always shop his rights before August because they do have that sure value of the 2nd rounder if he re-enters. Say trade Janko for conditional picks, two 2nd rounders if he signs or they'd just give us the compensation pick or another 2nd rounder if he didn't.

Anyways, nothing to be worried about IMO. I'd expect an announcement signing him in April or so.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Thanks for all the responses. Not trying to fear monger but after reading everyone's responses, I'd say the big difference between Johnny and Janko situations, is the Flames were essentially willing to write off a whole contract year and pay out a big bonus for one game of play the year he signed. That had to be huge from a Gaudreau perspective in being willing to sign, that and he could be super confident he'd be starting in Calgary. Not sure the Flames would be as willing on the contract front with Janko, and we are much deeper at centre with Monny and Bennett that I could understand how Janko might be more motivated to explore options.

Sounds like it's not likely, but I'd had to have that first rounder disappear after all the effort we've but in.

I would think the Flames would be more than willing to get him here in April and burn a year.

Unfortunately, the Friars are probably going to play longer than the Flames and the Heat.

[cofias]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Thanks for all the responses. Not trying to fear monger but after reading everyone's responses, I'd say the big difference between Johnny and Janko situations, is the Flames were essentially willing to write off a whole contract year and pay out a big bonus for one game of play the year he signed. That had to be huge from a Gaudreau perspective in being willing to sign, that and he could be super confident he'd be starting in Calgary. Not sure the Flames would be as willing on the contract front with Janko, and we are much deeper at centre with Monny and Bennett that I could understand how Janko might be more motivated to explore options.

Sounds like it's not likely, but I'd had to have that first rounder disappear after all the effort we've but in.

It would be unfortunate yes, but the second round compensation pick would soften the blow significantly. The Grovedweller is a good asset manager. Even then, Mark doesn't strike me as the type of kid who would blow off a team that has taken a real long-term approach with him, going out of their way to let him know he's still in their plans. It's a possibility, but that is always the case with college seniors. I don't think it's worth worrying about to be honest.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by AC

He could refuse to sign after his college season is done and the Flames would get a 2nd rounder as compensation.

If we traded him and he didn't sign with that team, would they get a 2nd round pick? If so, throw him into a deal with the understanding that he'll sign with us at the end of the summer and we basically create a 2nd round pick to trade at no cost to ourselves.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would think the Flames would be more than willing to get him here in April and burn a year.

Unfortunately, the Friars are probably going to play longer than the Flames and the Heat.

Considering Gillies burned a year without ever dressing for a game, I don't think the Flames' season needs to be active to burn a year. I think it only depends on the date the ELC is set to "begin".

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Thanks for all the responses. Not trying to fear monger but after reading everyone's responses, I'd say the big difference between Johnny and Janko situations, is the Flames were essentially willing to write off a whole contract year and pay out a big bonus for one game of play the year he signed. That had to be huge from a Gaudreau perspective in being willing to sign, that and he could be super confident he'd be starting in Calgary. Not sure the Flames would be as willing on the contract front with Janko, and we are much deeper at centre with Monny and Bennett that I could understand how Janko might be more motivated to explore options.

Sounds like it's not likely, but I'd had to have that first rounder disappear after all the effort we've but in.

We've burned contract years on pretty much all prospects in their rookie year. Agostino, Arnold, Gaudreau, Gillies. I see no reason they wouldn't burn a year on Jankowski, unless they just can't because the Friars go too deep because Jankowski is just too dominant. The only guy they didn't burn a contract year on, was Kenney Morrison, and that's mostly because he's a total work in progress.

[kn]

Didn't he play with Gillies? Having him in the AHL might ease Janko's transition to pro hockey and he reason he signs...

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by gargamel

If we traded him and he didn't sign with that team, would they get a 2nd round pick? If so, throw him into a deal with the understanding that he'll sign with us at the end of the summer and we basically create a 2nd round pick to trade at no cost to ourselves.

The team trading for him would get the compensatory draft pick.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by kn

Didn't he play with Gillies? Having him in the AHL might ease Janko's transition to pro hockey and he reason he signs...

Gillies, Jankowksi and Gilmour are all Flames picks that are or were playing at Providence. Gillies dropped out after his junior year.

[Go_Flames4ever]

How about Russell + Jones + Klimchuk + FLA 2nd for Nichushkin + 4th?

Value-wise it can break down like this:

Russell (1st rounder)
Jones (4th/5th rounder)
Klimchuk (2nd rounder)

So 1st + 2nd + 2nd + 4th for Nichushkin + 4th. Kind of similar to Hamilton.

Russell would obviously help with Dallas' D and Jones can help their bottom-6 with some size for playoff depth. Klimchuk for their future.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Jankowski is the no.1 Center on the reigning NCAA championship team. He's 21 years old, 6'4, 205lbs. 38 points in 34 games this season. Known for being defensively responsible (+24 this year) and an offensive skillset to match.

What's not to like about him?

He was #2/3 on the team that won the NCAA championship and exceeded expectations for everyone by having a great year end tournament.

This year he is the #1C on the 5th ranked Providence team. He is scoring a a better than a ppg in his 4th year of the NCAA....

He has a chance to make it to the NHL after his 4 year in the NCAA... Kevin Hayes did it.... but for every Kevin Hayes that plays well in his 4th year NCAA and steps into the NHL there are 20 Arnolds, Hankoski, Van Brabrant, Corbin Knights. Even a NHL long shot like Jooris was only in the NCAA for 3 years.

A common "hope he works out like" comparison to Jankowski was late developer low scoring in NCAA 21st overall draft pick 2010 Riley Sheahan. He left Notre Dame after 3 years and is a 15 pts in 61 games -14 player on the wings

[cofias]

I'd say that "burning a year" can often work in your favor unless you are in a Chicago-like situation of perennial contention and cap rotation. The player will get their big deal one year earlier on average, which can mean that you lock them up long term on a cheaper deal than you otherwise would have since they have not reached their full potential yet. This is also why I generally dislike bridge deals for players who are a close to being a "sure thing". Unless you have a GM with excellent trading skills and a willingness to flip core players for younger talent for contract reasons.

[dammage79]

Boy, I truly thought trades would have been done by the time the Philly trip was under way. With the call ups needed if any major roster shake up was going to happen. I guess we can really only look forward to maybe Russell being traded tomorrow as there isn't enough depth with the team to cover the game tomorrow.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Boy, I truly thought trades would have been done by the time the Philly trip was under way. With the call ups needed if any major roster shake up was going to happen. I guess we can really only look forward to maybe Russell being traded tomorrow as there isn't enough depth with the team to cover the game tomorrow.

Don't know if you saw it but Hathaway and Kulak were scratched for Stockton tonight so they may be recalled and on the way to Philly.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Don't know if you saw it but Hathaway and Kulak were scratched for Stockton tonight so they may be recalled and on the way to Philly.

So one more FW and a 7th D. You'd figure you call up two forwards since we don't have a 13th right now. Unless you're doing a deal with a metro team and it only take like two hours to get to PHI.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Boy, I truly thought trades would have been done by the time the Philly trip was under way. With the call ups needed if any major roster shake up was going to happen. I guess we can really only look forward to maybe Russell being traded tomorrow as there isn't enough depth with the team to cover the game tomorrow.

The heat did scratch Kulak in their game tonight. He's probably been told to be ready to board the next flight to Philly, although you're right, it'll be tight with a 4PM PST start time tomorrow. The Flames have however been managing without a body replacing Russell since he's been out for a few games now.

[getbak]

There are two red-eye flights from San Francisco to Philadelphia tonight. One at 9:55 and one at 10:30. They both arrive early tomorrow morning.

I suspect there will be (at least) two Flames on one of those flights.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

The team trading for him would get the compensatory draft pick.

So here's what we do. Trade Jankowski for a third (the other team needs some incentive). Jankowski waits it out and signs with us. The other team gets a second as compensation for their third and we get Jankowski and a third.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

the anticipated return for Russell is allegedly a 1st +

so that proposal is 1st + a plus + Jankowski

that's too much

In what world is this the expected return? Setting yourself up for disappointment.

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

#Stars Val Nichushkin reportedly on trading block. Would be hard for some GMs to straight up say nyet on acquiring him.
— Bill Whitehead (@BillWhiteheadFL) February 23, 2016

I know when I want Dallas Stars trade rumours I trust, I go to some guy who writes articles about the Florida Panthers on some wordpress site - https://billwhitehead.wordpress.com/...-adds-quality/

[handgroen]

am i the only one that thinks ritchie for russell straight across is a good return?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by handgroen

am i the only one that thinks ritchie for russell straight across is a good return?

No.