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Old 02-28-2016, 05:00 PM   #161
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Jankowski would essentially be worth a 2017-2nd. I could easily see him being moved as part of a package.
He's worth more than that. That is his value if he doesn't sign with the Flames.
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the anticipated return for Russell is allegedly a 1st +

so that proposal is 1st + a plus + Jankowski

that's too much
Calgary will need to deal with a starter goalie problem this summer somehow. RW is also a big problem. Addressing our urgent need for an RW with Nichushkin NOW is worth losing a good C prospect. We've got other good centers.
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"Too much" is likely what it would take to get a player like Nichushkin out of Dallas at this stage.

edit - And I'm ok with that. Calgary desperately needs a RW that can fill top line minutes and play a heavier style. Nichushkin fits that bill and would be a great fit in Calgary.
He's our best C prospect (by far).

I don't want him involved in a 'pay too much' trade.

Use Shinkaruk instead.
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He's worth more than that. That is his value if he doesn't sign with the Flames.
Yes, but the team that acquires him will be assuming risk. Why would you pay more than a 2nd for a guy who could just walk away in a few months?
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I would happily pay a big price for Nichushkin. Fits the age range, fills a glaring organizational depth need, and is a pending RFA.

To DAL:
Kris Russell (50% retained if needed)
CGY 2016 2nd round pick
FLA 2016 2nd round pick
+ someone else on an expiring contract if needed.

That effectively boils down to the Hamilton trade again. I'd be overjoyed if Treliving can pull something like that off.
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He's our best C prospect (by far).

I don't want him involved in a 'pay too much' trade.

Use Shinkaruk instead.
No argument here. The question is, what intrigues Dallas more, Jankowski or Shinkaruk.

Answer is fairly obvious, IMO.

But I'd be willing to do it to get a guy that goes to the net like Nichushkin does.

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He's our best C prospect (by far).

I don't want him involved in a 'pay too much' trade.

Use Shinkaruk instead.
I doubt Jankowski is ever more than a 3C, not that there's anything wrong with that. If you can turn him into a potential elite winger to play with Johnny, you have to consider it, even if it involves attaching a late 2nd and a UFA.

For the record, I like Jankowski.
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:10 PM   #168
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Yes, but the team that acquires him will be assuming risk. Why would you pay more than a 2nd for a guy who could just walk away in a few months?
Which is why you don't trade him - if you're not getting a great price, keep him
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I doubt Jankowski is ever more than a 3C, not that there's anything wrong with that. If you can turn him into a potential elite winger to play with Johnny, you have to consider it, even if it involves attaching a late 2nd and a UFA.

For the record, I like Jankowski.
3rd line upside max? No way.

His upside is huge. Excellent skill, size and skating combo. I'd pretty be hesitant to deal him at this point, he's having a tremendous year. For Nichushkin I'd certainly consider it because Nichushkin's upside is also huge. In general I think fans underrate Jankowski's upside and value at this point.
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Moving Jankowski could be a huge mistake right now, because he won't get much in return but he could wind up a big part of any team's middle six going forward. If he's part of a package that gets you want you need (starting 4D) then sure, consider it.
I would move Russell + 2016 2nd + one of Poirier, Klimchuk for Nichushkin, in a heartbeat. Fat chance 'tho.
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Which is why you don't trade him - if you're not getting a great price, keep him
What is he worth in your eyes? Is it one of those things where his value to the Flames is higher than his trade value around the league?
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What is he worth in your eyes? Is it one of those things where his value to the Flames is higher than his trade value around the league?
Jankowski is worth a mid 1st rounder if I had to guess.
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3rd line upside max? No way.

His upside is huge. Excellent skill, size and skating combo. I'd pretty be hesitant to deal him at this point, he's having a tremendous year. For Nichushkin I'd certainly consider it because Nichushkin's upside is also huge. In general I think fans underrate Jankowski's upside and value at this point.
Fair enough. I just see him slotting behind Monahan and Bennett as a 2-way center. I don't think he will be a big scorer in the NHL but I think he will have a decent career of sorts. Not sure what his ceiling truly is but I don't see how he ever rises above Monahan and Bennett here. Unless Bennett stays on the wing but I think that would be a mistake because he has 1st line potential. I think Sammy will be our #1 center as soon as next year.
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What is he worth in your eyes? Is it one of those things where his value to the Flames is higher than his trade value around the league?
Already been covered...

For the Flames, the baseline is that you get a 2nd in 17 if he doesn't sign. So he is worth more than that.

For other teams, he is only worth a 2nd because he could walk.

So why on earth would the Flames trade him for a 2nd? They already have that and they would essentially be giving away his upside for nothing.

IMO, he's worth about a mid to mid-late 1st.
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Jankowski is worth a mid 1st rounder if I had to guess.
To us or to the rest of the league?
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Fair enough. I just see him slotting behind Monahan and Bennett as a 2-way center. I don't think he will be a big scorer in the NHL but I think he will have a decent career of sorts. Not sure what his ceiling truly is but I don't see how he ever rises above Monahan and Bennett here. Unless Bennett stays on the wing but I think that would be a mistake because he has 1st line potential. I think Sammy will be our #1 center as soon as next year.
You don't worry about that yet. He probably needs at least one year in the minors maybe two anyways. And there is the chance you switch him to wing during that period.

Big, skilled, top two line centres are one of the most valuable commodities in the NHL. If we can develop Jankowski into that then its huge for us whether we trade him later or not. You can basically trade a big skilled, top two line centre for any other commodity you want.
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For the Flames, the baseline is that you get a 2nd in 17 if he doesn't sign. So he is worth more than that.

For other teams, he is only worth a 2nd because he could walk.

So why on earth would the Flames trade him for a 2nd? They already have that and they would essentially be giving away his upside for nothing.

IMO, he's worth about a mid to mid-late 1st.
I didn't mean trade him straight up for a 2nd. Rather a package deal where his value is roughly a 2nd and he helps net us a Nichushkin.
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A rental player isn't getting Nichushkin without serious additions. I feel Dallas would want Russell + Kylington + conditional pick (depending on if he re-signs with Dallas). Jankowski/Klimchuk/Poirier/Shinkaruk are B level prospects. Nill will likely want a more enticing prospect.
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To us or to the rest of the league?
I wouldn't trade him for less than that.
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:21 PM   #180
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I didn't mean trade him straight up for a 2nd. Rather a package deal where his value is roughly a 2nd and he helps net us a Nichushkin.
those things are the same. If you trade $100, or $100 worth of gold, the price was the same.

just give a 2nd and keep Jankowski and his upside
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