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Frequitude · 02-09-2016, 09:51 AM

I was curious on Bloomberg's stance on Keystone XL and was very pleased with what I came across (it's from last February but still seems to be the case). It's a great idea and so refreshing to read someone wanting both sides to win.

Michael Bloomberg: Trade Keystone XL for climate pact

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Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said President Obama should trade approval of the Keystone XL pipeline for a significant bilateral climate agreement with Canada.

Bloomberg took to his news organization's editorial page to offer the suggestion a day after Obama used his third-ever presidential veto to reject legislation authorizing the Canada-to-Texas project. He said the president could build on a non-binding deal struck with China that for the first time put the world's top two greenhouse gas polluters in agreement about the need to reduce the emissions scientists blame for climate change.

"A U.S.-Canada agreement would position Canada as a leader on climate change, while also delivering a big economic boost to its economy. Here in the U.S., Republicans in Congress could declare economic victory, while Democrats could declare environmental victory. The president could declare both, while also burnishing his foreign policy legacy and building momentum for the conference in Paris," Bloomberg wrote.

peter12 · 02-09-2016, 11:06 AM

An excellent piece from David Brook that reiterates something I briefly touched upon in this thread; that the Obama Administration has been remarkably scandal-free.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/op...smtyp=cur&_r=0

Cali Panthers Fan · 02-09-2016, 01:32 PM

99% Sanders
96% Clinton
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30% Kasich
25% Fiorina
24% Trump
23% Bush
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5% Carson
3% Cruz

Pretty darn accurate. I think Kasich is the best of a bad Republican field. I wish I could fire Ben Carson and Ted Cruz into the sun.

DuffMan · 02-09-2016, 02:32 PM

Clinton 98%
Sanders 97%
Kasich 56%
Bush 25%
Trump 20%
Carson 5%
Cruz 4%

and that was when I chose Sarah Palin as who I would vote for.

DuffMan · 02-09-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by peter12

An excellent piece from David Brook that reiterates something I briefly touched upon in this thread; that the Obama Administration has been remarkably scandal-free.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/op...smtyp=cur&_r=0

That was good, but so is the link to another article "Sarah Palin's English" on the same page.

octothorp · 02-09-2016, 05:31 PM

So to me, the Republican primary in NH is kinda more interesting than Iowa. Granted, Trump is the heavy favorite to win, but any of about five guys could finish second (Rubio, Cruz, Kasich, Bush, Christie). Trump has to be hoping that it's just a five-way tie for second, so that nobody drops out, and it just stays a mess going forward. Exit polling says that a lot of Republicans placed a lot of weight in this most recent debate, which doesn't bode well for Rubio.

Vulcan · 02-09-2016, 06:37 PM

Sanders has won New Hampshire as reported by CNN. 57% to 41 %

Trump has won the GOP race with 34%.
Kasich second with 16%
Bush 12%
Cruz 11%
Rubio 10%
Christie 8 %
Fiorina 4%
Carson 2 %

I don't see this having anyone dropping out. Maybe Carson or he just becomes irrelevant. It will be interesting to see someone take charge out of the 5 after Trump, while Trump remains at his 34%.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 02-09-2016, 06:53 PM

How do they have accurate results already? Like I get how they can declare a winner but how they can already say that Trump's going to get 34% of the vote seems odd. I'm missing something.

Anyway, what happens if Bush and Christie drop out and endorse the other governor? We might have some sanity in this race after all.

octothorp · 02-09-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

How do they have accurate results already? Like I get how they can declare a winner but how they can already say that Trump's going to get 34% of the vote seems odd. I'm missing something.

Anyway, what happens if Bush and Christie drop out and endorse the other governor? We might have some sanity in this race after all.

I don't think Bush or Christie drop out yet. Problem with Kasich (and I think he's a solid candidate) is that he went all-in on New Hampshire, and is pretty-much unknown beyond his home region. Bush and Christie could naturally expect Kasich to fade in other regions. Can Kasich get enough of a bump to carry momentum, or will he disappear in a few weeks? Hard to say.

Absolutely awful result for Rubio, who just lost all the momentum he gained from Iowa.

Great night for Trump.

(Regarding the percentages, 34% is the total of votes counted that Trump has now, not what's being predicted that he'll end the night with.)

CorsiHockeyLeague · 02-09-2016, 07:41 PM

Yeah, if the next primary is South Carolina I can see why there would be some skepticism about Kasich's numbers. But frankly I have no clue why Bush hasn't dropped out already. There's no point to his campaign at this stage.

Vulcan · 02-09-2016, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

How do they have accurate results already? Like I get how they can declare a winner but how they can already say that Trump's going to get 34% of the vote seems odd. I'm missing something.

Anyway, what happens if Bush and Christie drop out and endorse the other governor? We might have some sanity in this race after all.

Those were current percentages when I reported them. They could change some.

I think the GOP race is still wide open. When one of the candidates establishes themselves as the alternative to Trump, he should get the nomination.

metallicat · 02-09-2016, 08:00 PM

So each state has these votes? Whoever wins the most states is the nominee or what? American politics seems so needlessly complicated.

octothorp · 02-09-2016, 08:01 PM

Except that he's got a huge wad of super pac cash that he basically can't use for anything except campaigning. Sure, he could drop out, but then he'd have to donate those tens of millions to charity or some other waste. (Agreed though, the moderates need to just get together and make a blood-pact that everyone except for the one of them who's leading after the next primary need to drop out... would never happen though).

Vulcan · 02-09-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

So each state has these votes? Whoever wins the most states is the nominee or what? American politics seems so needlessly complicated.

Yeah, each state votes. Some states do a winner take all and others divide the delegates according to percentages.

nik- · 02-09-2016, 08:35 PM

Super Tuesday should be interesting.

killer_carlson · 02-09-2016, 08:40 PM

Clinton 82%
Bush 80%
Sanders 77
Rubio 75
Christie 74

nik- · 02-09-2016, 08:46 PM

what are those percentages?

octothorp · 02-09-2016, 09:01 PM

Possibility Christie drops out after this, with AP reporting that he's returning home to take a deep breath and take stock of his bid.

Lanny_McDonald · 02-09-2016, 09:13 PM

The most important thing for people to understand about this primary is the delegate count. Percentages don't mean anything, only the delegates each candidate controls. Trump picks up 9 delegates. That leaves the count at Trump 16, Cruz 8, Rubio 7, Carson 3, and some of the also-rans with 1.

On the Dem side of things Sanders picks up 13 delegates and Clinton picks up 7. That leaves the count at Sanders 34 and Clinton 30. Super Tuesday will be interesting.

killer_carlson · 02-09-2016, 09:17 PM

Huffington Post jumps the shark tonight.

Can't have a news source publish headlines like this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com

Commentary: A Racist, Sexist Demagogue Just
Won The New Hampshire Primary