2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by heep223

Of course he should be coached and guided. He's a young emerging player who additionally has had problems between the ears in his past.

You're losing credibility

lets not confuse hockey with life issues. we're talking coaching, not therapy.

Ferland should have to be reeled in, not kicked in the butt when it comes to this stuff.

If these two things are linked for this particular player I would be worried about his on ice effectiveness and ask if he is in the right business.

'when crushers become rushers they become ushers'.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I was in agreement with your post until the end. I don't think there's anything laughable about comparing Ferland to a guy like Agostino.

Agostino is much smaller, older and has played a couple NHL games. He might have more skill than Ferland but also less NHL ability/assets than Ferland.

The comparison is in fact laughable.

At the start of the season Ferland himself mentioned that he can't play like playoff form an entire regular season. You can't be that physical and expect to stay healthy even half the season. But I guarantee you that next playoffs he's in, we see the Ferkland that we know and love. Every team needs these players to go on long runs. Bryan Bickell is probably an apt comparison.

That said, a 2nd + Ferland for Drouin sounds pretty tempting. I hope Treliving can work some magic and snag him without giving up an essential piece.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

A lot of fans have complained about Colborne but Ferland would kill to have Colborne's offensive output.

That may be true but in every other aspect of the game I'll take Ferland over Colborne every day of the week and twice on sundays.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Two years ago, Drouin was widely regarded as one of the top three 18-year-olds in the world. The way some people are saying his stock has plummeted, you'd think he shredded his ACL, got in impaired driving conviction, then threatened to play in the KHL.

Instead Drouin has proven incapable of playing the team game Tampa wants of all its players, has demanded a trade, pouted over his demotion, and then elected to sit out rather than play through his challenges. What has he done to continue to believe he has the upside of that top 3 pick? I think he's gone full Baertschi.

[Erick Estrada]

Oh I see. So Ferland is saving himself for the playoffs. Makes total sense seeing him play this season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by New Era

Instead Drouin has proven incapable of playing the team game Tampa wants of all its players, has demanded a trade, pouted over his demotion, and then elected to sit out rather than play through his challenges. What has he done to continue to believe he has the upside of that top 3 pick? I think he's gone full Baertschi.

To be fair even Stamkos hasn't been enamoured with how he's been used at times by Cooper. He doesn't have to make a stink about it though as he controls his own destiny but if he had four years left on his deal I wouldn't at all be surprised if he asked to be traded.

[Phanuthier]

Ferland has a lot of value not cause he will score a lot of goals or fight, but because he plays with a lot of tenacity and puts a lot of pressure on the D. It was most prominent in the Flames 2 playoff rounds last year, but evident in other games that part of this "possession" is about putting pressure on the D and Ferland is one of the better players at it. Doesn't have to be a tough guy to do it (Bennett, Bouma) but if you can separate the D from the puck, thats really valuable.

Drouin may have a lot of skill, maybe become a goal scorer but Ferland has a really good skill set to have.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Oh I see. So Ferland is saving himself for the playoffs. Makes total sense seeing him play this season.

I think that it's the coaching staff that has asked him to save himself a bit. If a player isn't do what they are asked to to, the coaching staff doesn't really have a problem coming out and saying it. Hartley sat out Colborne and said they needed more. He did it with Jooris too. There hasn't really been anything like that with Ferland.

In the playoffs last year, Ferland was the first man in the forecheck and digging in deep in the corners. This year, he's always been the 3rd man back being the defensive guy. That can't be his own idea, that has to be coaches' instructions.

He still leads the team in big hits despite being very responsible defensively. He's also been a bit snake bitten, he creates a lot of chances, but they just don't go in, which is better than a lot of guys who can't even produce chances.

Having said all that, I too would like to see more from him. If he is being instructed to play a more responsible game, I think it might be time to change that and just let him loose.

[howard_the_duck]

While I agree it would be hard to sustain the level of physicality that Ferly played with in the playoffs, he's surely been a disappointment this year even to his biggest supporters.

5 pts in 9 playoff games, and just 8 in 38 games this year and not bringing that energy on a consistent basis.

[Flash Walken]

I basically never notice Ferland on the ice.

Even Chris Clark managed to score 10 goals a season as flame.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair even Stamkos hasn't been enamoured with how he's been used at times by Cooper. He doesn't have to make a stink about it though as he controls his own destiny but if he had four years left on his deal I wouldn't at all be surprised if he asked to be traded.

This isn't about Stamkos, this is about Drouin. This kid wants to be treated like a guy that has scored almost 300 goals in the NHL, not a kid who has six goals in his career. He has been given great opportunity, playing with Stamkos/Filppula and Johnson/Namestnikov, so I don't get what he is crying about? It's not like he was saddled with a bunch of plough horses. He's played with Thorobreds and hasn't cut the muster, according to his team. He isn't committed to playing a 200' game. That and his behavior means his value takes a substantial hit.

[GioforPM]

Ferland hasn't been as consistent as in the first round of the POs, true. That's a young player issue, and concussions may play a part. I don't think it has any bearing on a lack of face washes or fights though.

I think he's been way more consistent since December than at the start of the season. I also think he needs to be paired with decent defensive guys in order to play that aggressive forechecking game. I thought he, Stajan and Jones looked pretty good together the other night.

But back on topic, there's pretty much no way Tampa would trade Droiun for Ferland+ a second, IMO. I don't think Ferland is regarded as highly in other cities. He's one of those "worth more to keep than to trade" guys.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I basically never notice Ferland on the ice.

Even Chris Clark managed to score 10 goals a season as flame.

There are a handful of people who keep saying this. And I am amazed every time.

Obviously people are going to have different opinions about the value of each and every player.

But how any fan can watch the Flames play and find Ferland unnoticeable just seems next to impossible to me.

Whether his play is good, bad, or ugly, I find Ferland pretty much the most noticeable of any forward not named Gaudreau, Monahan or Bennett.

[N-E-B]

Ferland is what he is. A 4th line energy guy who can turn it on in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I basically never notice Ferland on the ice.

Even Chris Clark managed to score 10 goals a season as flame.

Not too big of a surprise, Chris Clark was getting consistent 2nd line minutes and PP time (I believe)

And, Chris Clark was a pretty good contributer in our playoff run. I think Ferland is some mold of Chris Clark and Shean Donovan, which is pretty dang useful.

Not sure if Drouin will amount to much, he's got to have a lot of pressure. You look at his draft and it looks like "1, Nathan MacKinnon. 2, Alex Barkov. 3, Me. 4. Seth Jones. 5, Elias Lindholm. 6, Sean Monahan."

Being drafted high is nice, but dang thats a lot of pressure. The holdout is probably a mistake, but I can see why he feels a lot of pressure to be in the NHL righ tnow.

[GranteedEV]

Drouin is what he is, an AHLer who can't turn it on in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less.

[gilligans_off]

Ferland is a crash and bang forward, and a good one at that, until he injures himself witch is going to always happen given his style of play.

If I could pick one of Drouin or Ferland I'd take Drouin 100%

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There are a handful of people who keep saying this. And I am amazed every time.

Obviously people are going to have different opinions about the value of each and every player.

But how any fan can watch the Flames play and find Ferland unnoticeable just seems next to impossible to me.

Whether his play is good, bad, or ugly, I find Ferland pretty much the most noticeable of any forward not named Gaudreau, Monahan or Bennett.

I notice David Jones a hell of a lot more out there than I notice Ferland.

I notice Stajan more than Ferland. I usually notice Raymond (for the wrong reasons obviously) more than Ferland.

Seriously, 2 goals so far this season. He might finish the season with less than 15 points. That's Tim Jackman levels of production. That's less goals than Andre Roy. This is Wayne Primeau levels of production.

I just don't see it. I don't think the effort is there.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There are a handful of people who keep saying this. And I am amazed every time.

Obviously people are going to have different opinions about the value of each and every player.

But how any fan can watch the Flames play and find Ferland unnoticeable just seems next to impossible to me.

Whether his play is good, bad, or ugly, I find Ferland pretty much the most noticeable of any forward not named Gaudreau, Monahan or Bennett.

Disagree. There are many games where I had to look at the score sheet to see if he played. If you notice him every game I can only surmise you are specifically looking for his number because he simply hasn't stood out every game because I'm just amazed a small handful of fans feel about him the way you do. Other times as you said he's been noticeable for turnovers as well as the odd nice pass and even a good body check every few games. I noticed him on the top line only because he looked so out of place and that's not his fault as guys that don't have top skills in that situation feel pressured to play a style of game that doesn't suite their skillset.

I don't have a hate on for the guy but all season I've seen his name in posts of untradeable players or stuff like "I wouldn't trade Ferland for player X" and I have to wonder what exactly all the hype is about as I just don't see it. When he was throwing himself around with reckless abandon sure he was very noticeable but it's pretty obvious he can't bring that type of effort on a regular basis and the rest of his game is very average at best as he's not an offensively gifted player. He's not even a pest as when's the last time he's been in a skirmish? If he can't be a pest or be physical much more consistently I simply don't see much of a future for him in this league unless he starts blocking shots or learning to kill penalties and become a Bouma type player.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Ferland is what he is. A 4th line energy guy who can turn it on in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some people may snicker but there's truth there. Some energy players have excelled in the playoffs only to disappear in the regular season. When you don't have elite skills it's tough to bring the energy and grit over the course of a long regular season. In the playoffs when it's do or die these guys can go 100% and become effective players.