Johnny an MVP finalist (if the Flames make the playoffs)?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Sorry, I don't follow. What does that have to do with this season?

The award hasn't exactly changed since 2002, has it?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Right - the Hart is the be-all and the end-all when it comes to determining who is the league's best player. That's why Jose Theodore has had such a legendary career while that Iginla scrub only has 12 goals this year.

I thought the Hart was awarded to the best player that season?

Didn't realise it was career based. Better call up Kane and tell him "Sorry, gotta give it to Crosby or Ovechkin until they retire, don't want to confuse the fans."

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

What trophies are you referring to? The Hart and.....?

The Lindsay, previously known as the Pearson?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I thought the Hart was awarded to the best player that season?

Didn't realise it was career based. Better call up Kane and tell him "Sorry, gotta give it to Crosby or Ovechkin until they retire, don't want to confuse the fans."

The Hart is awarded to the NHL's most valuable player, not the best player.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by MoreDrank

Have to think Kane, Erik Karlsson and Braden Holtby have the top 3 locked down, even if what you described happened.

I wouldn't quite say locked down. Plenty of season left. Benn/Seguin as well.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The award hasn't exactly changed since 2002, has it?

No. So I'm not sure why there is confusion. Kane is the odds on favorite to win it this season, and as I said, it probably won't be close.

Who would you give it to at this point and why?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

No. So I'm not sure why there is confusion. Kane is the odds on favorite to win it this season, and as I said, it probably won't be close.

Who would you give it to at this point and why?

Kane. But, if you look at the title of the thread, it's not about JG winning the award.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Lindsay, previously known as the Pearson?

That's voted by the NHLPA

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Hart is awarded to the NHL's most valuable player, not the best player.

Actually no, as already stated, it's the best player.

Tell me: who would you value more than the best player in the league?

The 2nd best?

8th best?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Lindsay, previously known as the Pearson?

Basically the same award, one is voted by the NHLPA and the other by the writers association. That's why quite often the same player will win both awards.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Kane. But, if you look at the title of the thread, it's not about JG winning the award.

So you agree.

As for the thread and OP, no Johnny should not be a finalist this season. He's close but not quite there.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by heep223

Elliotte Friedman said that in the case of playoffs this season Gaudreau would certainly be in the conversation.

He's 6th in league scoring. In spite of one of the worst PPs in the league (the worst?).

I personally feel that there's no way he'd win it with Kane and Holtby, but your post is pretty ironic given how ridiculous it is to suggest he wouldn't even be in the conversation. Though if you're trolling, I for sure took the bait so congrats.

Kane is leading the league by a fair margin, Hawks are leading their division.
Holtby is leading the Caps to likely their best regular season ever, leading the East.
Erik Karlsson is averaging more then ppg (Sens likely don't make the playoffs).

Gaudreau even if the Flames make the playoffs wouldn't have done anything exceptional. Guys like Benn, Seguin, Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Malkin etc will all be around ppg and playoff teams. Would they be in the conversation as well?

This is basically like saying if the Oilers make the playoffs should McDavid get the MVP? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Basically the same award, one is voted by the NHLPA and the other by the writers association. That's why quite often the same player will win both awards.

While your second point is true, they are not "basically the same".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

While your second point is true, they are not "basically the same".

How are they different other than who votes for them?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Kane is leading the league by a fair margin, Hawks are leading their division.

Holtby is leading the Caps to likely their best regular season ever, leading the East.

Erik Karlsson is averaging more then ppg (Sens likely don't make the playoffs).



Gaudreau even if the Flames make the playoffs wouldn't have done anything exceptional. Guys like Benn, Seguin, Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Malkin etc will all be around ppg and playoff teams. Would they be in the conversation as well?



This is basically like saying if the Oilers make the playoffs should McDavid get the MVP? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

No it really doesn't. If McDavid led the Oilers from their current position into the playoffs he could absolutely be a finalist. Same with Johnny. We're not talking about winning the MVP here, just that they're mentioned/in the conversation.

Anyways the point being that your initial post was overly dramatic and disparaging. It's not a ridiculous idea at all. The fact that one of the most well respected pundits in media said it also proves that. Do you disagree?

Ps Benn and Seguin could easily be in the convo too

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Kane is leading the league by a fair margin, Hawks are leading their division.
Holtby is leading the Caps to likely their best regular season ever, leading the East.
Erik Karlsson is averaging more then ppg (Sens likely don't make the playoffs).

Gaudreau even if the Flames make the playoffs wouldn't have done anything exceptional. Guys like Benn, Seguin, Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Malkin etc will all be around ppg and playoff teams. Would they be in the conversation as well?

This is basically like saying if the Oilers make the playoffs should McDavid get the MVP? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

See, the Hart rarely goes to players on stacked teams, like the Caps, Stars and Pens. The point is that the teams wouldn't be close to being as successful without the valuable player, so to have teammates nominated for such an award is silly.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How are they different other than who votes for them?

Hart - Most Valuable Player
Lindsay - Most Outstanding Player

[Sakic19]

Let's pump the brakes on the Johnny mvp talk. It's not happening this year, but next year if him and Monahan consistently do what they did last night, we can revisit this topic.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Sakic19

Let's pump the brakes on the Johnny mvp talk. It's not happening this year, but next year if him and Monahan consistently do what they did last night, we can revisit this topic.

What are your reasons for believing this?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hart - Most Valuable Player

Lindsay - Most Outstanding Player

I know you've got a sticking point somewhere in this, but there is an extremely good reason why the winner of the Lindsay/Pearson award has been 1st or 2nd in Hart trophy votes EVERY YEAR for the past 25+ years.

It's because they are basically the same award.

Who is the league's most outstanding player? Always the guy who is the most valuable player, or the next best player who people thought arguably was the MVP.

MVP = Best Player

Different voters, different opinions, that's all.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hart - Most Valuable Player
Lindsay - Most Outstanding Player

Yes, that's what they say. But let's face it......both of those awards are for the best player, just voted on by different groups.

edit: Pepsi took the words out of my mouth.