I would add that I think the REAL topic here should be concussions and how a guy like that gets back on the ice at all.
Yeah, I think he gets suspended, but I think he did it as a result of being in a complete fog. He looked totally out of it from the moment his head came off those boards.
Terrible recognition by Flames staff. Just totally oblivious to the entire situation.
So if Wideman does intend to viciously crosscheck him, how come it looks like Wideman hops backwards a little bit before contact? If his intent was to truly crosscheck him why alter his course at all, why not just skate through his check?
To not make it obvious? He didn't exactly try hard to get out of the way and after he mows him over he acts like nothing happened. That is the strange part to me.
I think a different camera angle would really help this. If he's looking at the ice then I think you can make the arguement he didn't see him until the last second. From behind you can't really tell and it does look like his head is up. Doesn't neccesarily mean he was looking forward.
Yeah, I think he gets suspended, but I think he did it as a result of being in a complete fog. He looked totally out of it from the moment his head came off those boards.
Terrible recognition by Flames staff. Just totally oblivious to the entire situation.
I can't recall the interview, but was listening to one where the ex-player was basically saying players now know the protocol and how to answer questions to allow themselves to get back on the ice.
It is a deep problem in the culture. The athletes still think they need to shake off the cob webs and get back out there. Long-term consequences be damned. And the league and teams allow this because they are trying to win.
I give gobs of credit to guys like Jon Cornish and Dmitri Tsoumpas who have the strength to retire early to retain their brain matter.
In some ways I think non football sports are even further behind because it is perceived to be less physical.
And this is where I also think the NHLPA is an utter failure.
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Wideman could have forgotten his own name (not saying this is the case, just hypothetical); the league would never allow that to play into the determination of a suspension. Just admitting that he may not have been in the right frame of mind equals a failure on the part of the team staff and the neutral concussion spotters considering he didn't leave the bench even for a moment to receive evaluation. The league will never allow their safety procedure to be questioned like that. It just won't happen.
I think the situation is so unusual it isn't reasonable to pretend to know how people would feel. But fill your boots.
For what its worth I have no idea if he'll be suspended, which is why I haven't voted. I find the sequence just to weird to try and figure out how they will handle it.
You know as well as anyone if this was a Canuck or Oiler the board would be frothing at the mouth.
He didn't exactly try hard to get out of the way and after he mows him over he acts like nothing happened. That is the strange part to me
1. How quickly do you expect Wideman to change directions, from forward to lateral? He's not Gaudreau, if he had that kind of lateral ability, he'd b a better defenseman.
2. Why would/should he stop? Hockey is a contact sport, players don't stop every time they Hut something to make sure it's okay. The play continued, had he not continued, he would have drawn a penalty for too many men on the ice.
There was accidental contact, Wideman carried on, as did the play.
You know as well as anyone if this was a Canuck or Oiler the board would be frothing at the mouth.
I hate it when someone tells me what "I know".
Who cares.
So biased fans will have biased views.
Yippy Skippy.
Personally if I saw a different player on the Oilers and Canucks have this happen to, I would have the same reaction I'm having here. Which is - weird, I don't know what they'll do here.
And the board holds no collective opinion. Over 50% of the poll think he will be suspended in fact. So I don't know what point you are trying to make.
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To not make it obvious? He didn't exactly try hard to get out of the way and after he mows him over he acts like nothing happened. That is the strange part to me.
I think a different camera angle would really help this. If he's looking at the ice then I think you can make the arguement he didn't see him until the last second. From behind you can't really tell and it does look like his head is up. Doesn't neccesarily mean he was looking forward.
So everyone is saying he is concussed from the hit and not thinking straight, and yet he has the ability to think "Hey I better make this look accidental"
I don't think everything can be classified as "intentional" and "non-intentional". Reactive and instinctive behaviour is not intentional, but it tends to carry with it consequences that assume some level of intent. Can we call this an incident of consequential contact?
That's the way I see it. If a player fell to the ice and kicked out his leg instinctively to get another player away from him he'd be responsible if he cut the other player on the leg. You're responsible for your actions on the ice, and being careless is absolutely something you can be penalized or suspended for.
It looks to me like Wideman was frustrated and embarrassed, and instinctively shoved the ref out of his way. The bonehead thing was doing the shoving with his stick.
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1. How quickly do you expect Wideman to change directions, from forward to lateral? He's not Gaudreau, if he had that kind of lateral ability, he'd b a better defenseman.
2. Why would/should he stop? Hockey is a contact sport, players don't stop every time they Hut something to make sure it's okay. The play continued, had he not continued, he would have drawn a penalty for too many men on the ice.
There was accidental contact, Wideman carried on, as did the play.
Official and player are pretty different circumstances. If you think his reaction was normal then good for you. We see things differently. Oh no.
You know as well as anyone if this was a Canuck or Oiler the board would be frothing at the mouth.
Total bull####. I hate this argument. Maybe you aren't able to rationally separate your emotions based on what team is involved, but don't assume the rest of us are as simple-minded.
If RNH or a Sedin or some other soft, Wideman-esque player with no history of violence nailed a ref from behind in the exact same sequence, there is no chance I'd change my opinion. If it was Raffi Torres, sure. But it ain't.
If there would be "frothing at the mouth", pull up the threads for that Weber hit on the ref. Or the Devil in the Cup Final.
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So everyone is saying he is concussed from the hit and not thinking straight, and yet he has the ability to think "Hey I better make this look accidental"
I don't buy it.
No one asked you to buy it. I missed the official concussion diagnosis by the on ice doctor before he hit the official. Wasn't aware it was conclusive he wasn't thinking straight. What a concept you get rocked and you're a bit angry and in that anger you do something kind of dumb. That's never happened before.
Did anyone froth at the mouth when the Canuck's Weber put his arms up, and ran over this very same official? Video above.
I'm honestly asking. I don't recall.
Nor do I, but I suspect it escaped the notice of most posters here. The OOT has been a bit of a ghost town this season.
The difference I see in the Weber collision and the Wideman incident is that in the former, Henderson glides right into the path of Weber, who is skating at high speed, and cannot avoid the contact made. I don't believe the same can be said for Wideman, who appears to be skating in the direction of the linesman from the time he gets back on his feet; he has tonnes more time to anticipate. And again, the shot he delivers does not really look like follow through from or anticipation of a collision. It seems more like a reactionary response to the collision.
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