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Old 01-27-2016, 09:46 AM   #761
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What types of generation are you classifying as renewable?

Not giving you the gears, I'm genuinely curious. Growth is still crazy in China and the air quality is disgusting; from what I have been told it is caused by coal power plants and cars.

I was always under the impression they are building out their power requirements with nuclear. I see them under construction all over the place, but have never looked at the capacity numbers.
Variable renewables and hydro essentially with some geothermal.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:49 AM   #762
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This should be interesting....

Environmental assessment rules for resource-based projects coming today

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Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr says he will announce later today a new set of rules for reviewing proposed pipelines and other energy projects.

The announcement comes on the heels of a new audit report by Canada's environment watchdog that found the National Energy Board failed to follow through and adequately track the compliance of pipeline companies with the conditions set for their projects.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/envi...carr-1.3421896
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:50 AM   #763
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Global oil demand continues to grow at around the long term average over the past 35 years. You can keep ignoring that fact if you'd like but it kind of makes your argument irrelevant.
In the OECD, final consumption of oil peaked in 2004, it's down 12% by 2014 10 years later.

What about those facts make my argument irrelevant?
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:51 AM   #764
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In the OECD, final consumption of oil peaked in 2004, it's down 12% by 2014 10 years later.



What about those facts make my argument irrelevant?

Because you're cherry picking stats. Global oil demand continues to grow steadily. You have yet to acknowledge this fact.
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People are arguing two things that can exist in parallel here.

Total energy consumption provided by oil, as a percentage in relation to all other sources, has gone down. Oil demand overall continues to increase.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:54 AM   #766
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Because you're cherry picking stats. Global oil demand continues to grow steadily. You have yet to acknowledge this fact.
The question was, when do you think oil demand will peak.

My answer: It's already peaked in the OECD and will likely peak in 2030 in non-OECD.

I've acknowledged that fact in my answer you dunderhead.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:56 AM   #767
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Renewables are replacing coal basically right now in most of the important coal burning countries US, China, Germany.
Germany is actually increasing its number of coal plants in an effort to phase out nuclear energy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamescon.../#1aa08d0a2fe0
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Germany is actually increasing its number of coal plants in an effort to phase out nuclear energy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamescon.../#1aa08d0a2fe0
That article is from 3 and half years ago.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:57 AM   #769
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To me it seems like China is only reducing coal consumption because their cities are choking on smog.

If that wasn't the case they'd likely be going full exhaust ahead as if nothing had changed. If Calgary was smog filled like some of those Chinese cities over the past month I'd be doing something about it too.



Here's the nuclear reactor chart for plants under construction, you'll see that China is leading obviously.



The planned group is even more impressive with China having 45 and India 22. I don't have the stat for "proposed" handy, but again the Chinese growth is impressive.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:58 AM   #770
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Did you know alberta oil sands account for 0.15% of global greenhouse gases. Oilsands.alberta.ca
Take that for what it's worth.

Alberta's coal power plants account for about 21% of Alberta's ghg emmissions and in the next 15 years will be phasing out coal power in favour of natural gas. 30% of electricity generation in Alberta will be from renewables such as wind farms. Wind farms are set to triple.

Give Alberta a bit of credit

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ands-1.3388031


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Germany is actually increasing its number of coal plants in an effort to phase out nuclear energy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamescon.../#1aa08d0a2fe0
Meanwhile from the macro-picture of Germany's electricity system, renewables were the largest source of generation. They generated 40% more electricity than hard coal, 60% more than nuclear and slightly more than lignite for the first time. This hardly seems like Germany is depending more on coal.

http://energytransition.de/2015/12/c...er-in-germany/
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People are arguing two things that can exist in parallel here.

Total energy consumption provided by oil, as a percentage in relation to all other sources, has gone down. Oil demand overall continues to increase.
This is quite clear. I'm still trying to figure out what Tinordi is talking about with all due respect.
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In regards to hydro, the only thing that stakeholders in the NE of BC liked less than Northern Gateway was the Site C dam.
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This is quite clear. I'm still trying to figure out what Tinordi is talking about with all due respect.
Fuzz asked me when I thought oil demand would peak. I answered him. You're jumping in without understanding the line of inquiry.
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Fuzz asked me when I thought oil demand would peak. I answered him. You're jumping in without understanding the line of inquiry.
But you are doing an awful job, to be honest.
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Fuzz asked me when I thought oil demand would peak. I answered him. You're jumping in without understanding the line of inquiry.
I think you might be responding to what's convenient and doing a poor job. You're not on the ball today. Maybe you need a coffee first or you've got something else on your mind. I'll wait a bit.
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Well he did answer my question.
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But you are doing an awful job, to be honest.
Go on. Tell me why you think OECD oil consumption hasn't peaked and why you think it wont peak by 2030 then.
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It's based on a pretty large assumption that India and China's middle class growth peaks at 2030. It might be close in China, but I just don't see it in India in just 14 years.
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Meanwhile from the macro-picture of Germany's electricity system, renewables were the largest source of generation. They generated 40% more electricity than hard coal, 60% more than nuclear and slightly more than lignite for the first time. This hardly seems like Germany is depending more on coal.
That's only because they split coal into brown and black. German generation in 2015 was:

Hydro: 20.24 TWh
Biomass: 56.57 TWh
Nuclear: 87.07 TWh
Brown coal: 139.44 TWh
Black coal: 103.94 TWh
Natural gas: 29.95 TWh
Wind: 85.43 TWh
Solar: 36.58 TWh

https://www.energy-charts.de/energy.htm

Included in renewables is biomass, which includes the burning of wood. Classified as carbon neutral, there are many doubts about just how clean and sustainable it actually is.
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