[Rumour] Blue Jackets and Predators zeroing in on blockbuster trade

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

His suspension and coinciding omission from the WJC roster really messed with his draft ranking. If things went the other way leading up to the draft, Monahan had a real good shot at #1 IMO. Or at the very least, taken over Barkov.

Monahan gets mad and Bennett couldn't do a aingle pull up. Lucky us!

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

This is one example of why you draft BPA and not from positions of need. If the rumoured deal goes through then Nashville trades from a position of strength to address a need. If Nashville had used the draft to acquire a center they would have not garnered a player as good as Johansen.

Thinly veiled shot at Monahan, who was probably the next BPA.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by dammage79

His suspension and coinciding omission from the WJC roster really messed with his draft ranking. If things went the other way leading up to the draft, Monahan had a real good shot at #1 IMO. Or at the very least, taken over Barkov.

Even with hindsight I don't think Monahan goes higher than 3rd overall in that draft.

MacKinnon and Barkov still go first, IMO.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by dammage79

His suspension and coinciding omission from the WJC roster really messed with his draft ranking. If things went the other way leading up to the draft, Monahan had a real good shot at #1 IMO. Or at the very least, taken over Barkov.

I understand this is a Flames fan board but seriously. Get real.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

His suspension and coinciding omission from the WJC roster really messed with his draft ranking. If things went the other way leading up to the draft, Monahan had a real good shot at #1 IMO. Or at the very least, taken over Barkov.

It's hard to believe Monahan got a 10 game suspension once. He hardly ever throws a check in the NHL. I wonder if this part of his game will return? I don't want him getting suspended for elbows to the head again, but a little bit of aggression would be good.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I understand this is a Flames fan board but seriously. Get real.

I am real Tinordi. Barkov went higher than his draft ranking suggested, FLA surprised a lot of people with that pick. I wasn't surprised he went #2.

Jones got Shunned down to 4th behind Drouin.

In the world of what if's, if Monahan didn't serve a ten game suspension and had to miss the WJC where a lot of opinion forming is made, It may have been enough to supplant Barkov or MacKinnon.

Go back through the threads that debated Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan and there was indeed a very sound argument for Monahan even back then onths before the draft.

[heep223]

There could be an argument that Monahan would have gone #2 if things had turned out differently, but no way was he supplanting MacKinnon.

[dammage79]

You won't get a ton of argument from me on MacKinnon. Still even looking back with those perfect 20/20 hindsight goggles, Monahan is the best pick of the bunch. Followed by Barkov and Jones respectively and very closely.

[SuperMatt18]

Also hard to say Johansen is clearly a better center than Monahan as per what Tinordi said.

Both have identical career PPG of .62 PPG but Monahan is 2 years younger. Hell Lindholm or Domi could still potentially be better players.

Personally I kind of feel like Jones is too much. I would bet if they expand the deal to be a lesser center plus a dman. Ellis/Ekholm + Wilson or something like that.

[Enoch Root]

I would not trade Monahan for Johansen, homerism or not.

[Knut]

I think it goes

Barkov
Monahan
McKinnon
Jones
Drouin
Lindholm

If the top 6 were redrafted

[SuperMatt18]

People are discounting Mackinnon too much.

Still the highest point total from that draft and had a great rookie year.

Decent year again this year.

He still goes first overall. Drouin and Lindholm drop while Domi and Ristolainen move up.

[JJ1532]

MacKinnon still goes #1, all day every day. Look at the careers or both him and Monahan so far. What does Monahan have that MacKinnon doesn't? Ok, he's a superior goalscorer. But MacKinnon is a better play maker. MacKinnon is a faster skater, he creates plays by himself where as Monahan is a better poaching, better in the dirtier areas. Both have similar potency on the PP.

I just don't see, if the draft was re-done, even with the last 2 1/2 years worth of information, why Colorado would pass on MacKinnon and choose Monahan. Sorry, but MacKinnon was the superior player then and he is the superior player now. Will he be in 3/5/10/15 years? Who knows. But he still easily goes #1 in that draft, easily.

[Bunk]

Hindsight is 50/50 - Doug MacLean

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You won't get a ton of argument from me on MacKinnon. Still even looking back with those perfect 20/20 hindsight goggles, Monahan is the best pick of the bunch. Followed by Barkov and Jones respectively and very closely.

Barkov looks as good or better than Monahan this season IMO. I think he has a higher potential than Monahan and as much as I love Monahan I think I'd trade him for Barkov right now.

Hard to compare to Jones since defensemen usually take longer to make an impact and he might look twice as good on a team that doesn't have Weber and Josi ahead of him where he could get premium ice time. He's as valuable overall as Monahan IMO.

Barkov may end up the best of the bunch IMO even though he's developed a touch slower than MacKinnon.

[automaton 3]

I think MacKinnon would still go 1st overall. Monahan would move up, Drouin and Lindholm drop.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Hard to compare to Jones since defensemen usually take longer to make an impact and he might look twice as good on a team that doesn't have Weber and Josi ahead of him where he could get premium ice time. He's as valuable overall as Monahan IMO.

Or he might look half as good if he actually had to play against the other team's top lines and he wasn't sheltered.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

MacKinnon still goes #1, all day every day. Look at the careers or both him and Monahan so far. What does Monahan have that MacKinnon doesn't? Ok, he's a superior goalscorer. But MacKinnon is a better play maker. MacKinnon is a faster skater, he creates plays by himself where as Monahan is a better poaching, better in the dirtier areas. Both have similar potency on the PP.

I just don't see, if the draft was re-done, even with the last 2 1/2 years worth of information, why Colorado would pass on MacKinnon and choose Monahan. Sorry, but MacKinnon was the superior player then and he is the superior player now. Will he be in 3/5/10/15 years? Who knows. But he still easily goes #1 in that draft, easily.

Barkov for me. He looks like the prototypical big #1 centre with jaw dropping skill that every team wants. Playing with Jagr is brilliant for him as Jagr has been teaching the young Panthers how to protect the puck.

And that's no slight on MacKinnon, he's a fantastic player with game breaking speed and ability. But personally if I had the pick of any of them I'd build around Barkov. He has less speed than MacKinnon but much greater size and strength, both are sublimely skilled. When Barkov is fully filled out and developed it will be almost impossible to contain him physically.

[BigTuna]

I say they get Johannson without giving-up Jones.

[vilzeh]

Seeing Barkov this year, I'd take him #1 in a hindsight draft. The kid is a total package, and he's 20.

Johansen for Jones, I guess that makes sense for both of them, can see that happening.