[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[IgiTang]

I can't disagree with the last 3 posts (Hackey, Guaranteed Ev and EE, and then the 2 that came after) Infact more than fair points. I would have simply thanked them but I have to save some for tonight's game!

But its definitely interesting and a much better discussion than they were having on hockey central this morning.

Kipper said if you're Yzerman, the convo starts with Bennett.. Omg..

Then McLean says you then hang up the phone.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think most agree which is why people would be nervous to trade the pick. Worst/Best case scenario the pick is maybe in the mid teens. Worst/Best case scenario the pick is top 5. We're basically fighting for the 3rd spot in our division. LA and Anaheim I think will take the top 2 spots and the wildcard is likely two teams from the central. Making the playoffs is far from a guarantee so the pick is a risky one to give up unless of course you protect it.

Offtopic, but my mind is blown. I thought you were talking crazy with this Ducks talk, then I looked at the standings.

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Split98

Offtopic, but my mind is blown. I thought you were talking crazy with this Ducks talk, then I looked at the standings.

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!

I know right?!?.. I would have laughed and ridiculed but I looked at the standings last night and boom.. Wtf..?

[polak]

The thing is our farm looks pretty bare in terms of top 6 potential so a player like Drouin would really help. Look at our lineup now without Frolik and Hudler... That's what it's going to be for the next few years if we can't get some outside help assuming who ever we draft isn't an immediate top 6 NHL'er.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Kipper said if you're Yzerman, the convo starts with Bennett.. Omg..

Must be off his meds?

"Convo STARTS with Bennett" ??

Hahahaha

If they want Bennett the convo starts with Drouin, because Bennett > Drouin.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I know right?!?.. I would have laughed and ridiculed but I looked at the standings last night and boom.. Wtf..?

They have definitely done it quietly, that's for sure. My brain is mush right now. I'm going home.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I know right?!?.. I would have laughed and ridiculed but I looked at the standings last night and boom.. Wtf..?

And that's why you don't trade our first. It's realistic to think the Flames make the playoffs and it's also realistic to think they finish bottom 5. The Flames aren't in any position to deal away futures.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

They're more busts than they are NHL players. Which is not to say that they are busts bit to say that they don't have anywhere close to the value of the Flames first this year.

A first round pick will always typically have more value than a player that was a former first round pick unless that player is considered special and has developed as envisioned by scouts. The Flames were lucky to fetch a 2nd round pick for Sven and does anyone think Jake Virtanen would fetch a first round pick today? I think Druin could fetch a 1st round pick from a team that heavily scouted him and thinks he has the upside but I don't see the value of trading a top 5 pick in this draft for him as there appears to be some players in that range with size and skill that more fit an organizational need over a small skilled winger. The Flames pick is up in the air right now and I wouldn't consider trading that for Druin until the end of the season as if they are drafting in the range of 7 or later I could kind of see it being worth it but I suppose it all depends on how much the team likes the players that they feel will be available when they draft. Too many factors which is why I don't see Druin getting moved until maybe the draft weekend.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But its definitely interesting and a much better discussion than they were having on hockey central this morning.

Kipper said if you're Yzerman, the convo starts with Bennett.. Omg..

Why was Kiprusoff talking about trade rumours on Hockeycentral?

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by codynw

Why was Kiprusoff talking about trade rumours on Hockeycentral?

Nick Kypreos. I know you were just kidding

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Poe969

And that's why you don't trade our first. It's realistic to think the Flames make the playoffs and it's also realistic to think they finish bottom 5. The Flames aren't in any position to deal away futures.

Ugh... I'm not saying futures aren't important.

I'm saying that... Never mind..

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Ugh... I'm not saying futures aren't important.

I'm saying that... Never mind..

I get what your saying, it's the same principle that led Treliving to trade those picks for Hamilton. It's a sound logic.

What I am not for though, is doing the same type of trade two years in a row. It's a coin flip whether the pick is used and that player pans out but it's also a flip if the player you trade for fits and succeeds on the team as well. It's all a 50/50 coin toss. I just like drafting and developing with some consistency.

This year I'd prefer the Flames kept their pick. But I totally get if others would not mind if it was traded for a Drouin type.

[Poe969]

I know you didn't say futures aren't important, I'm saying I don't think the Flames should trade their futures. Right now if the Flames could get Drouin for one of their current prospects and a roster player the should, but IMO our first and maybe second shouldn't be made available. I think this coming draft is going to be one of the most important when it comes to actually drafting players (last years was really important to get Dougie). This team needs some offensive skill and our picks could end up being very high.

[dino7c]

Chances the Flames are gonna draft a player better than Drouin this summer are pretty slim...I suppose they are near the Oilers right now assuming they lose all their games in hand but realistically I expect them to play more like they have of late and less like they did at the start of the season moving forward

[Poe969]

* And if we were to trade our first, it should be for either a big scoring right winger or a proven goalie (neither of which I think will be available), not another small skilled forward.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I get what your saying, it's the same principle that led Treliving to trade those picks for Hamilton. It's a sound logic.

What I am not for though, is doing the same type of trade two years in a row. It's a coin flip whether the pick is used and that player pans out but it's also a flip if the player you trade for fits and succeeds on the team as well. It's all a 50/50 coin toss. I just like drafting and developing with some consistency.

This year I'd prefer the Flames kept their pick. But I totally get if others would not mind if it was traded for a Drouin type.

The major difference is Hamilton was somewhat proven and we knew for certain it was the 15th pick. Drouin is definitely more of a question mark and the pick is even a bigger question mark. I also agree with the logic but I think this scenario in particular is quite different and has too much risk involved.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Poe969

* And if we were to trade our first, it should be for either a big scoring right winger or a proven goalie (neither of which I think will be available), not another small skilled forward.

Damn it man, stop making me use my thanks. I need them!

[Harry Lime]

Interesting reading the last couple of pages, but I don't really get the writing off of Klimchuk and Poirier. The last that I heard, Klimchuk was being groomed to be the guy that can play any forward position, up and down the lineup. Hockey's version of a super-utility player, and a valuable accomplishment, if he can get there. Poirier is being asked to develop his defensive game to complement the offense that sits in our top 6 right now. Defensive instincts take longer to develop, and concentration on those duties often see a drop in offensive output.

I don't really care about the points totals of players in the AHL. That is the league where we want them to go through these growing pains.

Luckily, Tampa wants near NHL ready, or NHL talent, so not really an issue. Also seems to covet defensemen. They have several excellent D prospects, all a few years away. I would think that Coburn (UFA) or Carle (2 years past this one, yikes) coming back in any trade.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Interesting reading the last couple of pages, but I don't really get the writing off of Klimchuk and Poirier. The last that I heard, Klimchuk was being groomed to be the guy that can play any forward position, up and down the lineup. Hockey's version of a super-utility player, and a valuable accomplishment, if he can get there.

Sounds like Colborne.

I would deal Colborne as part of a package for Drouin.

[Erick Estrada]

Trades rarely happen during the season so this talk is likely premature. I imagine that if the Lightning choose to go the trade route it will happen at the deadline much like with Hamonic as that's where the big deals go down in the NHL outside of the deadline which is more about trading pending UFA's for prospects.