[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[GreenLantern2814]

Would not give up anything of significance for Drouin. He'll likely be a fine player, but if we're spending significant assets, I want goaltending.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Love the comments section.."Andrew Coglinano is Drouins ceiling"

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/d...g-in-november/

What makes you think they are that far off?

[Dion]

Somw interesting comments from HF Lightning.....

Originally Posted by HoseEmDown
He had good moments but a few gaffes as well. The thing is he's 20 and on an ELC, we have lots of veterans making more money who get top 6 minutes. Is it fair, no but it's the business, it's why Carle is still playing. Drouin needs to bide his time and he'll get an extended look, he was good but not spectacular and deserving of being cemented on the top line. Namestnikov has been really good too when given top 6 minutes but is back in the bottom 6 and not complaining, he also spent 3 years in the A tearing it up, the same as Connolly. Drouin needs to show he can stay healthy for one and work on his complete game and he'll be just fine.

Originally Posted by Todd1a
Ya but drouin thinks he is special due to he was drafted 3rd. Vladdy was picked 27th! Connolly was picked 6th in a weak draft.

Originally Posted by DFC
It's deeper than that though. Drouin's also seeing guys in his draft class in line for multi-million $ deals coming out of their ELC. He has a legit argument that the only thing separating him from that exact kind of deal is equal opportunity. He has 1.5 seasons to get himself paid, and he believes he can do that somewhere else. Sad fact is, he's probably right.

Originally Posted by HoseEmDown
Those players are on terrible teams so they'll be getting paid to lose a lot of games. Look at the top teams and they're not paying 6mil to a 21 who hasn't established themselves yet. Edmonton is a prime example of this, they have a ton of high priced kids but they aren't very good. Look at Detroit they've been in the playoffs like 20+ straight years and they make their kids wait in the minors for years. If all you want is money and don't care about winning them ship him out of town, we don't need players who think like that.

[badger89]

Just checked out what TB fans are saying on their forum and consensus seems to be that Drouin has been misused and not given a good chance. Looks like a lot of blame being put on Cooper as they think he misuses other players as well, including Stamkos (who they say hasn't had a playmaker on his line since MSL was traded). Sounds like a lot of frustration with Cooper's coaching style in general, so could be that Drouin would do better in another system.

[sun]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And Yzerman signed Cooper to that deal knowing that some of his players weren't seeing eye to eye with the coach. Which tells me that Yzerman is playing the long game of establishing a team model and culture, and he's willing to lose dissatisfied players over it.

1st overall superstar face-of-the-franchise wants out (allegedly?), 3rd overall promising prospect wants out. Where do you draw the line? 2nd overall stud dman wants out? Bishop? Free agents? Coach has gotta be more replaceable than the players at some point. They endured some pretty #### seasons for these guys.

I'd be pretty frustrated as a fan of that team... but of course I would also have a phoney Cup win, so maybe it cancels out.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by badger89

Just checked out what TB fans are saying on their forum and consensus seems to be that Drouin has been misused and not given a good chance. Looks like a lot of blame being put on Cooper as they think he misuses other players as well, including Stamkos (who they say hasn't had a playmaker on his line since MSL was traded). Sounds like a lot of frustration with Cooper's coaching style in general, so could be that Drouin would do better in another system.

Yes, but fans fall in love very quickly with high profile prospects then look for scapegoats who aren't the player if things aren't going to plan, it's pretty common. It happens all time in here too. You see it everyday in here, Hartley is to blame if young player X isn't being used or getting enough ice time or playing the PP enough or some veteran they hate got more ice time.

If you came searching this forum at the begging of the Sven "situation" you'd have left with the understanding that Hartley and Burke had a personal hate on for the kid and they were screwing him up and over.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Yes, but fans fall in love very quickly with high profile prospects then look for scapegoats who aren't the player if things aren't going to plan, it's pretty common. It happens all time in here too. You see it everyday in here, Hartley is to blame if young player X isn't being used or getting enough ice time or playing the PP enough or some veteran they hate got more ice time.

If you came searching this forum at the begging of the Sven "situation" you'd have left with the understanding that Hartley and Burke had a personal hate on for the kid and they were screwing him up and over.

Yeah it's pretty much universal among fanbases. Lots of blame on coach and management to avoid the simplest explanation.

I want nothing to do with kids who ask for trades before having proven themselves.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by T@T

What makes you think they are that far off?

I didn't say they were.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by T@T

What makes you think they are that far off?

His ceiling is undeniably higher than Cogliano. Like, way higher.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Yeah it's pretty much universal among fanbases. Lots of blame on coach and management to avoid the simplest explanation.

I want nothing to do with kids who ask for trades before having proven themselves.

I think that's a bit unfair. It's your choice obviously. But what's wrong with asking for a trade on your ELC? It doesn't always mean the kid is a spoiled baby. Maybe he is confident, ambitious and knows he deserves a better chance.

[GoJetsGo]

Unless he could be had for a song I'd stay the course.

Besides, that spot is going to be taken by Andrew Mangiapane. Kid's a player.

If we need to trade for top assets, big scoring RWs are an area of need.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I think that's a bit unfair. It's your choice obviously. But what's wrong with asking for a trade on your ELC? It doesn't always mean the kid is a spoiled baby. Maybe he is confident, ambitious and knows he deserves a better chance.

Everyone thinks they deserve a better chance.

With a little patience and humility, Drouin will break through fine in the Tampa system. The idea that people in the organisation are going to hold back their own third overall pick is ridiculous. Problem is, he and his agent are getting antsy about not being able to make big money on his next contract.

This is assuming you can't get him below his market price. Obviously there's a point where he becomes desirable.

[Husky]

2016 wish list.

Flames move out futures (excluding Gaudreau, Monohan, Bennett, Brodie, Hamilton, Gillies) for Drouin + Rychel. They then move all pending UFAs for picks to replenish.

Gaudreau - Monohan - Rychel
Drouin - Bennett

Brodie - Hamilton

Gillies

I can live with a boom/bust young team of that moving forward.

[cannon7]

According to reports I've read, Tampa desperately needs depth on defense. I can think of a few guys I'd consider moving for Druoin.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by cannon7

According to reports I've read, Tampa desperately needs depth on defense. I can think of a few guys I'd consider moving for Druoin.

And Tampa would not take one of the guys you are thinking of. Not without some of our better prospects going with.

[Hackey]

It would seem like Tampa might be willing to take a combiation of vets and futures. Steve Y seems to always like to replenish futures but the team might want to make a playoff run while they still have this team together as well. I think the Flames could offer that in a decent package. The idea of giving up our 1st this year scares me though. I'd be hesitant to do that. If the price starts getting high maybe were better off not rolling the dice and using those assets to go after someone with a bit more certainty or a cheaper asking price. Its a tough call because Drouin is still so young with so much potential but at the same time there is definitely some risk.

[Tinordi]

Drouin needed to outplay one of Kucherov, Palat, Killorn, Callahan, Namestikov and Marchessault to break into the top three lines. That's how deep Tampa is on the wing and the thing is, he didn't outplay them. So Drouin's problem is not really to do too much with him but rather how deep Tampa is and that he's still very young and the greenest forward budding for ice time.

Can you really blame Yzerman for having ridiculous depth? Yzerman has no real need to trade Drouin either because he wants that depth. Drouin really only has one option here and that's play better and force Yzerman's hand to either play him or trade him. As it stands right now, he doesn't need to do either for Drouin.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Drouin needed to outplay one of Kucherov, Palat, Killorn, Callahan, Namestikov and Marchessault to break into the top three lines. That's how deep Tampa is on the wing and the thing is, he didn't outplay them. So Drouin's problem is not really to do too much with him but rather how deep Tampa is and that he's still very young and the greenest forward budding for ice time.

Can you really blame Yzerman for having ridiculous depth? Yzerman has no real need to trade Drouin either because he wants that depth. Drouin really only has one option here and that's play better and force Yzerman's hand to either play him or trade him. As it stands right now, he doesn't need to do either for Drouin.

Yeah, sometimes I think it's just circumstance and a new opportunity is warranted somewhere else. We are sometimes too quick to assign blame to either side.

My personal take is that there is a fine line in the NHL between making it and not, and sometimes players need to look out for themselves. Not sure if this is the case with Drouin, but as an outsider, it kind of looks that way to me. Managers and coaches are sometimes under pressure to "win now" to keep their jobs and this can sometimes affect how they develop players and what their tolerance for mistakes and growing pains is.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I'd pass on trading any firsts unless it was an established young player like Dougie.

If we're talking Ryan Johansen? yes move the pick but Drouin? pass.

Exactly, Drouin is trending to bust territory. I wouldn't trade any first rounders for him.

[Tinordi]

A 20 year old who's having problems breaking into one of the top 5 deepest forward corps in the league is not trending toward bust. Wow.