[PGT] Flames squeak out a win. 5-4 in OT

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

A quick scroll through a couple of pages but I see some "get a goalie" talk. Hiller was damn impressible tonight and although it is easy to re look some of the ones that got by him, he shut the door on some very elite shooters in some critical moments.

I chatted with a few guys in my section and brought up a 50/50 debate.
Knowing what we know as of today about each player, should there be a draft taking every player of the last 4 years, I believe Johny goes #2 after McDavid. The guy is an absolute game changer. The dome went wild when he had his first OT shift. His first goal is one where many elite players get the puck and you know they have a good chance of it going in. Johny has a incredible ability to put the puck wherever he wants and needs the smallest of windows to do so!
Open the five hole? no problem
Shift the smallest degree to screen the goalie? no problem
Cover everything I want? no problem, I will go around the net and feed an open guy.

Nothing the goalies do really matters. We have enough of a sample size. They aren't ever going to be good enough and currently they represent the most glaring weakness the team has.

Tonight was the 16th game in which they've allowed 4 or more goals. Our goalies make too many mistakes, and the team will only be playing post season hockey if the position is upgraded post haste.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

After re reading my quote, I thought your graphic was because of the poor grammar in "impressible"
I did not have the luxury of participating in the GT nor the early stages of the PGT but the people I was around including some ranger fans all agreed that Hiller had at least 2 saves that could have went in and nobody would have faulted him what so ever.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

This can't be true, can it? Wow that's awful if true.

I'd assume that the stat includes preseason games...he's 0-8-1 this year, 0-2-1 in his last 4 stars last year (pulled once) after his final win of that season.

[Loudog]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

This season seems to be the polar opposite of last year. They were great the first two months last year, terrible this year. Had an 8 game losing streak in December, putting their season on the rocks. Now they are on a 5 game winning streak, bringing themselves back from the dead. They were great at third period comebacks, usually after playing poorly in the first two periods. This year, they continually surrender leads in the third period, even more so than they came back last year.

Not to mention our special teams were a heck of a lot better last year and they are just awful this year. Goaltending same deal... Everything is opposite!!!!

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Nothing the goalies do really matters. We have enough of a sample size. They aren't ever going to be good enough and currently they represent the most glaring weakness the team has.

Tonight was the 16th game in which they've allowed 4 or more goals. Our goalies make too many mistakes, and the team will only be playing post season hockey if the position is upgraded post haste.

No doubt....although I have defended our goalies in many games on specific goals, I have been consistent in my posts that we are getting what we should expect. Neither goalie is a true #1 at this point and we as fans have to accept that.
When you get a performance that is above backup quality, I believe credit is deserved.
If both were free agents on the open market they would be lucky to see even half of what they are right now so instead of constantly beating the dead horse, lets embrace what we have until our GM can fix it. Just my 0.02

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

No doubt....although I have defended our goalies in many games on specific goals, I have been consistent in my posts that we are getting what we should expect. Neither goalie is a true #1 at this point and we as fans have to accept that.
When you get a performance that is above backup quality, I believe credit is deserved.
If both were free agents on the open market they would be lucky to see even half of what they are right now so instead of constantly beating the dead horse, lets embrace what we have until our GM can fix it. Just my 0.02

This is true. Everyone knows the goaltending isnt close to good enough but we have to make lemonade here because there arent any other options right now.

On a positive
- Ramo has been ok lateley and he'll likely be back next game
- Hiller was better then Raanta tonight and we won.

[Caged Great]

I will give Hiller the benefit of the doubt tonight. Yes, he allowed some stinkers, but he is playing despite having the flu. If he was feeling better, he would be more energetic in net, which would likely cut down on two of the goals (2nd and 3rd ones).

You can well imagine how they're feeling if Hiller is going despite looking white as a ghost and Ramo is worse. Probably would both be in bed all day if they weren't professional athletes.

[robbie111]

Another positive was Hiller won two in a row and his save pct for the season didn't go lower than .862 with the flu. I was worried with him starting and having the flu it might plunge to under .850. So that's a positive for him. Small steps.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Haven't watched sportsnet after getting home from the game but I could have sworn Johny went for a change and Backlund assisted that goal. Leave it to Saturday night game I take it easy at to not see the play correctly.

Yes Johnny did change for Backlund, however Backs never touched the puck so it was Brodie from Russell and Gaudreau.

[TheMagicMan]

So Johnny get's an assist in OT while on the bench, who was replaced by Backs. Who's gets the +1 for plus/minus? Backs as he was on the ice? Or Johnny, as he gets the point?

[Caged Great]

Perry Berezan scored the series winning goal against the Oilers (the famous own goal) while he was on the bench. Points count whether you're on the ice or not.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by TheMagicMan

So Johnny get's an assist in OT while on the bench, who was replaced by Backs. Who's gets the +1 for plus/minus? Backs as he was on the ice? Or Johnny, as he gets the point?

Gaudreau gets the assist for one of the last two players to touch the puck before the goal scorer but Backlund gets the +1 for being on the ice during a non-powerplay goal.

I think this could lead to a fun situation where, if your team draws a penalty, the last player to touch it gets off the ice, and the opposing team scores on itself, that the GWG could be scored by a player on the bench.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Just wanted to point out. The Brodie game winner extended his point streak to 6 games.

In a full 82 game season he would be on pace for 53 Points. His PTS/G is 15th for dmen in the league. This while coming off an injury, into a slow team, and bad powder play not to mention getting all the hardest assignments.

Long story short... This guy is one of the BEST defenders in the league.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

After re reading my quote, I thought your graphic was because of the poor grammar in "impressible"
I did not have the luxury of participating in the GT nor the early stages of the PGT but the people I was around including some ranger fans all agreed that Hiller had at least 2 saves that could have went in and nobody would have faulted him what so ever.

You've perfectly pointed out the reason why our goaltending is the worst in the league. Okay, I'll agree he made 2 quality saves that kept the Rangers from winning the game. But a good goalie will make those saves AND make the absolutely routine saves that he let into the net tonight as well. Making a couple good saves does not negate the absolutely terrible goals he allowed. Same with Ramo, he'll make an absolutely terrific, out of this world save and then 2 minutes later let one in from an impossible angle because he wasn't hugging the post. Those types of goals completely deflate a team and we are very fortunate to be winning in spite of it. To be clear, I have no allegiance to Ramo or Hiller, I want the guy in net who gives the team a better chance at the W, right now that is undeniably Ramo (once healthy). But neither will get us a deep playoff run unless they engage Kipper-mode long term or, more likely, we trade for a competent goaltender.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by robbie111

Another positive was Hiller won two in a row and his save pct for the season didn't go lower than .862 with the flu. I was worried with him starting and having the flu it might plunge to under .850. So that's a positive for him. Small steps.

[dammage79]

Eventually, hopefully, the goaltending gets sorted out. I'm sure if there were a poll a majority of votes would slide right over to "other goalie from elsewhere" than either of Hiller or Ramo combined.

At any rate, the team in front of them are winning games for them, they've got their roll going on now. One simple trade for a capable players for between the pipes to lead to a steam roll right up to L.A's coat tails.

Im really excited now that the line jumbling part of the season is over and all the lines are essentially set. Pretty balanced if you ask me.

I gasped when I saw Bennett go down with the leg injury, praying that it was just a charlie horse. And it was. Thanks whatever god listened.

I was workng but got to watch the game without PBP, so without any context I think goals 2,3 and 4 were weak on Hiller. Goal #2 looked like HIller was just straight gassed from bending down and just didn't have the energy or strength to gather up the puck. Goal #3 I don't know how his right leg slid away from the post like that to give that 6 inches of space for the puck to go in, but it happened. Really weird. But Wideman on both of those goals was worse. And the dumb look on his face after... yeesh.

Goal 4 was straight up bad optically. but in the end when you break it all down, the Flu played a big part in those 3 goals. You could see it.

Still, any new goalie would make he happy or at least carry some optimism. So please let that be the focus coming here heading into 2016. find a new goalie.

Gaudreau is a superstar. And the world is a better place for it. I cannot believe we have this kind of player on this team. Just so happy.

Still greatly enamoured with the Bennett/Granlund pairing. So good.

Happy for Colborne tonight too. Scored on a beauty set of playmaking.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You're right. His possession stats weren't good either.

Advance stats are garbage and a gimmick picked up from baseball. Stats reallt tell #### all in hockey. A player could be lights out and not pick up a single point.

Advanced stats are only good for using in a contract negotiations or the guy playing fantasy leagues.

The most important stat ad after all is said and done is the assist he got on the game winner .

Hou advanced stats people could try to convince me he wss #### all game until your blue in th face. He could be hideous all game but the NHL is a "what have you done for me lately business."

[combustiblefuel]

I also want to ask about thoughts on David Jones? Playing on the first line during this win streak. Who would have thought it? After last year the majority of posters wanted to trade him.

[ScorchyScorch]

Brodie 13 points in 20 games, +4. Silently having an excellent season.

Monahan now with 23 points in 29 gp.

[ScorchyScorch]

If you want a good indication of just how impressive Gaudreau is..

Top 10 scorers:

Kane - 9th season
Benn - 7th season
Seguin - 6th season
Hall - 6th season
Sedin - 15th season
Karlsson - 7th season
Gaudreau - 2nd season
Cammalleri - 14th season
Klingberg - 2nd season
Sedin - 15th season

And how about that Klingberg guy? Still, Johnny doesn't get to play with the 2nd and 3rd best scorers so that makes it all the more impressive.