Who has value on this team?

[JohnnyB]

I'm not sold on Treliving. I like the Hamilton deal, but some bad moves by Treliving already have been signing the Gio contract before seeing how he came back from injury and starting the year with three goalies. Both of those really bother me.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Because despite last season the Flames are still building their team. Last year was a burst of speed in a marathon, time to catch our breath and continue to run.

Hamilton, Brodie, Monahan, Gadreau, Bennett are strong and important building blocks.

Yes, there are some pieces on the farm potential stars like Gillies and role players and tweeners like Grandlund, Poirier, Klimchuk. The 1st round pick this year, especially if we continue to play poorly, will be just as an important pick as Bennett was.

Hopefully we can turn two of Hudler, Russel and Wideman into several top 60 picks.

Did you leave the highest paid d-man and highest paid forward off this core list on purpose?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by polak

Well warranted with this team.

We watched you go from abject despondence before last season, which slowly throughout the year become more and more constructive to the point where you thought they were going to make the playoffs. Now you're back down to abject despondence.

Must be exhausting!

[polak]

Originally Posted by heep223

We watched you go from abject despondence before last season, which slowly throughout the year become more and more constructive to the point where you thought they were going to make the playoffs. Now you're back down to abject despondence.

Must be exhausting!

I put more work into this then the team!

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

If Brad thinks the season is lost already, then there is no point trading now. Wait till the deadline when teams are set to make playoff runs and load up on complimentary pieces. Trading anyone right now would likely mean the Flames get fleeced.

If he thinks the season is salvageable, it's extremely risky right now to trade and try to upgrade. If I'm GM, I wait it out until the deadline both ways.

This group went to the 2nd round last year. They may yet be some magic left in them.

Brad needs to decide what he wants in return for his assets and pull the trigger if someone meets the price, whether it's at the TDL or it's tomorrow. Waiting until the deadline for the sake of it could be perilous. Injuries happen or we could get Cammalleri'd. He just needs to set the price and pull the trigger as soon as possible (assuming we're sellers).

It is possible that there is a gulf between BT's valuation and what teams are offering. In that case, it would be best to wait, but that strategy comes with risk. Might not get anything at all if you wait too long.

[Harry Lime]

Young Players, haven't reached potential (Don't Trade)
Bennett
Monahan
Gaudreau
Ferland
Hamilton
Brodie

Leadership and Mentors (Don't Trade)
Giordano
Englland
Frolik
Stajan
Colborne
Bouma

Available Roster Players (Tradable)
(3 Defensemen)
Russell
Wideman
Smid
(6 Forwards)
Hudler
Jones
Jooris
Backlund
Bollig
Raymond

Potential Internal Replacements (if Tradable players are dealt for bag of pucks)
(3 Defensemen)
Nakladal
Morrison
Kulak
(6 Forwards)
Shore
Arnold
Granlund
Agostino
Grant
Van Brabant

Didn't touch goalies. I did this exercise to see where exactly the team stands with all of the tradable pieces sent out with no return. After seeing it, I'm not sure if I would be totally upset with seeing the AHL guys play. It looks to me like we have the capacity to trade 9 guys for 3 NHL calibre forwards, and be potentially more competitive.

[Aarongavey]

I can't wait to see what Treliving gets for Hudler. He does not have a NTC or a NMC, so Treliving can deal with any team in the NHL. He was a top 10 scorer in the league last year, is on a friendly contract and is off to a half decent start next year. He was hired to correct the egregious wrongs of Feaster in the trade department. Compared to the return we got for Iginla (who only had one team on his trade list) this should be a home run. Hudler is younger, has a cup, and is also a proven point producer. Iggy was worth 2 middling prospects and a pick, Hudler should be worth a bit more given that we no longer have Feaster making bad deals and Burke and Treliving to lead the way. Other targets on the forward ranks include Bollig, Raymond, Stajan and Jones.

On the backend, Treliving and Burke should be able to get good value for Wideman, Russell and possibly even Smid. Treliving and Burke were brought in because they would not screw up trades in such an autrocious way like Feaster who only got a couple first round picks and a few prospects for Bouwmeester and Iginla. Now that we have some elite traders handling our team it is their time to shine. I am expecting great things.

[Fire Park '71]

Bob Hartley has value. He use to coach the ZSC Lions.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

This thread is ridiculous. Trade gio. All our prospects suck. Omg were still rebuilding.

People need to relax. Last year may have been a curse disguised as a blessing

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

To be fair you're in a constant state of worry or fear.

your

[stone hands]

most value:
gaudreau
brodie
bennet
monahan
gio

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

If your the top shot blocker in the league it's not just because your amazeballs at blocking shots. It is because you play in your own end WAY too much.

And do you know why he plays in his end that much? It is two words, Dennis Wideman. Russell is a good 3-4 D man, Wideman is a disaster in his own end which makes Russell look worse than he is.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And do you know why he plays in his end that much? It is two words, Dennis Wideman. Russell is a good 3-4 D man, Wideman is a disaster in his own end which makes Russell look worse than he is.

This isn't true at all, it is blinders.

Kris Russell was never a top 4 defender for any team that wasn't terrible. That's how Calgary got him for a 5th round pick.

Treliving said last season, and I'm paraphrasing, that according to the Advanced Stats, Kris Russell 'isn't an NHL player'.

Well, his league worst +/- is pointing in that direction.

If anything, Russell might want to thank Wideman for helping him break the 30 point plateau.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

This thread is ridiculous. Trade gio. All our prospects suck. Omg were still rebuilding.

People need to relax. Last year may have been a curse disguised as a blessing

Agree to some extent. Winning is never a problem but the expectations that it put on the team are not helping their cause.

In that same vein I think this season may be a blessing disguised as a curse.

It will make the team more open to selling at the deadline, which could mean staying away from painful long term extensions for Russell, Hudler, etc

Adding another top 10 pick in the draft won't hurt too much, and as long as the young core players continue to develop and contribute then it's not completely a loss.

The biggest worry is that all the work that went into build that tight knit, "winning" culture last year could be flushed down the drain, but I feel like the players on our team will be able to manage that.

[polak]

This whole trading the vets situation is getting worse. I can't imagine any one wants any of our players not named Gaudreau, Bennett, Brodie or Monahan.

Maybe Backlund?

[Da_Chief]

Apparently there were 11 teams represented by scouts during last nights game. All our vets put on quite the show. Can't see getting much in return for these guys.

[Flash Walken]

Now the time to sign Russell long term for a cheap rate.

Get it done, treliving.

[flamesfever]

IMO the timing is perfect to sign Russell to a long range deal for a reasonable amount, and include him in our long range plans.

His attributes, as I see it are:

1. Leadership e.g. when Gio went down last year, IMO it was Russell who took this team on his back and helped us get us to the playoffs.

2. Hi IQ and skillset (see his history)

3. He is only 28, and in his prime

4. Super competitiveness and devotion to winning, as evidenced by having the highest number of shot blocks in the NHL

Sure, he has struggled this year, as has most of the players on the team. But trading him for a 2nd or 3rd...for the sake of getting bigger, will IMO be enormously counterproductive, and the rebuild will last a lot longer.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Young Players, haven't reached potential (Don't Trade)
Bennett
Monahan
Gaudreau
Ferland
Hamilton
Brodie

Leadership and Mentors (Don't Trade)
Giordano
Englland
Frolik
Stajan
Colborne
Bouma

Available Roster Players (Tradable)
(3 Defensemen)
Russell
Wideman
Smid
(6 Forwards)
Hudler
Jones
Jooris
Backlund
Bollig
Raymond

Potential Internal Replacements (if Tradable players are dealt for bag of pucks)
(3 Defensemen)
Nakladal
Morrison
Kulak
(6 Forwards)
Shore
Arnold
Granlund
Agostino
Grant
Van Brabant

Didn't touch goalies. I did this exercise to see where exactly the team stands with all of the tradable pieces sent out with no return. After seeing it, I'm not sure if I would be totally upset with seeing the AHL guys play. It looks to me like we have the capacity to trade 9 guys for 3 NHL calibre forwards, and be potentially more competitive.

Of the tradeable D you mention, I don't see Smid having any value unless it's a bad deal coming back (like Bickell as was rumoured)

Can't see Russell moving for anything more than a 3rd/4th, book is out on him. He may hold more value for us keeping him vs trade value.

Wideman I would love to see gone but that extra year is a killer and the nmc is pesky. Probably involves term coming back. If we can get some futures back, I'd be all over it.

I'm worried that hudler becomes cammy v2.0 as the leafs will be mass selling and driving down the market. Think we will get max 2nd rounder or a prospect. Just see a repeat of 2014 where Treliving sets his price which no one will meet. Think he would be wise to get out in front of the market and get down thing decent vs getting stuck with zip.

Jones probably maxes out as a fourth. Similar to Russell holds more value to us vs what we can get with a trade. If he is willing to sign a short term reasonable deal let's keep him. Suppose if he is being unreasonable we move him for what we can get.

Backlund holds some value as 3rd line Cs are in demand. But term is an issue. Teams have shown interest in the past but can't see them breaking the bank.

Bollig/Raymond hold limited to negative value and would probably mean term coming back. Jooris is a player that list teams have in their system so probably not any value there.

Not sure if Treliving can package some quantity into quality but unfortunately don't see our guys bringing much of value if dealt individually.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Now the time to sign Russell long term for a cheap rate.

Get it done, treliving.

The only reason I would extend Russell is to hope he comes back better next season...them trade him for a better return then what he would get back now.

The guy is one of the poster boys for how bad this Flames team is. No possession game. Missing the net every shot. Weak on the puck. Gets pushed around easily. Can't win board battles.

Hopefully next season he can have a better start, be on a nice edible contract, and send him off.

Frankly I don't care about what his contract is here or if we get him at a nice cap hit. I care about his play on the ice. His play sucks.

Russelmania is dead