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		|  10-28-2015, 12:40 PM | #81 |  
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					Originally Posted by undercoverbrother  I wonder if they circumvented a review process.
 
 Usually, it is a suspension, then review, and consequence.
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They did all of that.
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		|  10-28-2015, 12:43 PM | #82 |  
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					Originally Posted by rubecube  They did all of that. |  
Cheers I missed that.
 
It appears he got what he deserved.
		 
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		|  10-28-2015, 12:58 PM | #83 |  
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			Personally I have little sympathy for people like in this situation. If you didn't do something wrong, then an officer wouldn't be called to remove you. The solution is simple, don't be a dick bag and you are unlikely to have any problems.
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:03 PM | #84 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  Personally I have little sympathy for people like in this situation. If you didn't do something wrong, then an officer wouldn't be called to remove you. The solution is simple, don't be a dick bag and you are unlikely to have any problems. |  
That last sentence should apply to the officer in question IMO. He probably could of kept his job otherwise.
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:12 PM | #85 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  Personally I have little sympathy for people like in this situation. If you didn't do something wrong, then an officer wouldn't be called to remove you. The solution is simple, don't be a dick bag and you are unlikely to have any problems. |  
She wouldn't put away her cell phone and refused to leave. 
 
Being flipped out of her desk and rag-dolled is a reasonable, measured response?
		 
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:14 PM | #86 |  
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					Originally Posted by Bobblehead  She wouldn't put away her cell phone and refused to leave. 
 Being flipped out of her desk and rag-dolled is a reasonable, measured response?
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the OP said she got into a fight with another student and refused to leave.
 
and to me it looked more awkward than intention when it came to the desk. To me it looked like he tried to pull her out, she grabbed onto the desk and it tipped. But either way had she not got into the fight, no problems.
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:15 PM | #87 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  Personally I have little sympathy for people like in this situation. If you didn't do something wrong, then an officer wouldn't be called to remove you. The solution is simple, don't be a dick bag and you are unlikely to have any problems. |  
If the incident has been reviewed and the officer fired, I would suggest that his actions were not acceptable or in line with the police force's approaching to policing.
		 
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:18 PM | #88 |  
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					Originally Posted by undercoverbrother  If the incident has been reviewed and the officer fired, I would suggest that his actions were not acceptable or in line with the police force's approaching to policing. |  
that's your opinion. personally I think people in today's society are completely oversensitive and too stupid to realize a 30 second clip doesn't tell the full story.
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:28 PM | #89 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  that's your opinion. personally I think people in today's society are completely oversensitive and too stupid to realize a 30 second clip doesn't tell the full story. |  
It's not my opinion, it appears to be the police department's opinion as well, which carries more weight than your's or mine.
 
Furthermore, and correct me it I am wrong, the review board of the police department are more qualified to decide if his actions are within limits of the police force.
		 
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:32 PM | #90 |  
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					Originally Posted by undercoverbrother  It's not my opinion, it appears to be the police department's opinion as well, which carries more weight than your's or mine.
 
 Furthermore, and correct me it I am wrong, the review board of the police department are more qualified to decide if his actions are within limits of the police force.
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They fired him because people overreact to everything and they felt the need to save face. Let's be honest, he wasn't fired because of what he did, he got fired because it was caught on film and it went viral.
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:33 PM | #91 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  They fired him because people overreact to everything and they felt the need to save face. |  
Source for this claim?
 
I am not saying you are wrong, but would like to see a source.
		 
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:34 PM | #92 |  
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					Originally Posted by undercoverbrother  Source for this claim?
 I am not saying you are wrong, but would like to see a source.
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its clearly my opinion, but it always happens
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:43 PM | #94 |  
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If you haven't noticed a significant spike in people losing their jobs because something negative went viral on social media you really aren't paying attention.
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:44 PM | #95 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  the OP said she got into a fight with another student and refused to leave.
 and to me it looked more awkward than intention when it came to the desk. To me it looked like he tried to pull her out, she grabbed onto the desk and it tipped. But either way had she not got into the fight, no problems.
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 One student -- who asked that his identity be concealed -- says other kids in the class tried to defuse the situation.
 
 "She was even told by the students to just get up and leave when the administrator came in," the student said.
 
 Fields was then then called to remove the student.
 
 "You're going to come with me or I'm gonna make you," Fields tells the student in the video. "Put you hands behind your back. Give me your hands, give me your hands."
 
 When she didn't get up from her desk, the officer wrapped a forearm around her neck, flipped her and the desk backward onto the floor, tossed her toward the front of the classroom and handcuffed her.
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:44 PM | #96 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  If you haven't noticed a significant spike in people losing their jobs because something negative went viral on social media you really aren't paying attention. |  
Is it a spike in people losing their jobs or are we more aware of people losing their jobs.
 
Again, I don't know.
 
I suspect that your "significant spike" is based on a source, actually I suspect it isn't.
		 
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:46 PM | #97 |  
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					Originally Posted by HotHotHeat  The findings of the investigation around the incident don't play a role in deciding whether he was justified? |  
That's not what you said at all, but nice attempt to move the goal posts. Have the findings of the investigation now been released, thereby providing more facts than were previously available? I, again, do not actually care, but your initial post simply said in effect "well, he got fired, so now it should be obvious to everyone that he was wrong".
		 
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:52 PM | #98 |  
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			Mod edit- not at all appropriate.
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			so much of the initial justification for the cops actions were that the girl had just been in a fight and was being generally disruptive. today, what i am reading is that the girl was initially in trouble for having her cell phone out and didn't want to give it to the teacher because she didn't feel that she had broken the cell phone rule. 
 does that not impact any of you guys that are defending the officer? how is that level of force justified because a girl took out her phone during class? thats the standard for policing now? beat up anyone who breaks the smallest of rules?
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		|  10-28-2015, 01:56 PM | #100 |  
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					Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef  you really can't help but be an arrogant prick can you? |  
I am arrogant?
 
You are the one that is saying the procedure to address the use of force is a joke and only serves up what the public demands.
 
You are the one making claims about trends without any support.
 
I would be happy for you to post support for your claims.
		 
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