09-07-2006, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorponok
Hrmm...despite all his anti-fans, he keeps winning his riding. Strange indeed. I think it has to do with people disliking the other parties and would rather put up with Anders because of his party than vote in another candidate in a party they dislike or disagree with.
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He's a Conservative. Calgarians vote Conservative. I'm sure if it was between CPC Anders and CPC Joe Schmo, Joe wins in a landslide.
What else are Calgary West voters supposed to do? Vote NDP?
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I know a lot of people who voted for him in the last election just because they hated the Liberals and wanted to see them out. They didn't exactly like Rob Anders, but their dislike of the Liberals was strong enough for them to at least stomach Anders.
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A vote for Rob wasn't going to 'get the Liberals out'... maybe if a Liberal held that riding, but they didn't, Rob did... Calgary West is a Conservative stronghold, there was never a danger of losing it to the Liberals.
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09-07-2006, 11:35 AM
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It's not easy being green!
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Originally Posted by Agamemnon
A vote for Rob wasn't going to 'get the Liberals out'... maybe if a Liberal held that riding, but they didn't, Rob did... Calgary West is a Conservative stronghold, there was never a danger of losing it to the Liberals.
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A conservative seat counts in terms of an election win for the party though.. that's kind of the point right?
I probably would vote Conservative if Anders wasn't the representative. I disagree with his stance on pretty much everything. I oppose his views on gay marriage, immigration, ethics, Canadian Military operations, etc.. I think he's discriminatory, closed minded and crude and my only wish is that the electoral process was complete in that someone else was allowed to challenge him for the Conservative representation of Calgary West.
The issue here is that it doesn't seem like fair practice is going on. A liberal seat in Calgary West isn't support for the Liberals, it's a protest against the representation of Calgary West given by Rob Anders.
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09-07-2006, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by kermitology
A conservative seat counts in terms of an election win for the party though.. that's kind of the point right?
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Only if there was ever a danger of losing that seat. Its not like the Liberals were making a big push in Calgary West... at all. I know a lot of people there who support the Conservatives but voted Green because A) they new the Cons would get in anyways and B) they couldn't stomach supporting Anders, though they support the party.
Calgary West was not a CPC vs. Liberal battleground.
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I probably would vote Conservative if Anders wasn't the representative. I disagree with his stance on pretty much everything. I oppose his views on gay marriage, immigration, ethics, Canadian Military operations, etc.. I think he's discriminatory, closed minded and crude and my only wish is that the electoral process was complete in that someone else was allowed to challenge him for the Conservative representation of Calgary West.
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I think a lot of people agree with you... thats why CPC riding members are upset that the nomination process that confirmed Rob recently may have been a bit shady.
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The issue here is that it doesn't seem like fair practice is going on. A liberal seat in Calgary West isn't support for the Liberals, it's a protest against the representation of Calgary West given by Rob Anders.
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I think some serious CPC meltdowns would have to happen for the Liberals to win Calgary West in the next few decades, even if the CPC uses a monkey as its candidate (or Rob Anders!).
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09-07-2006, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by kermitology
I oppose his views on gay marriage, immigration, ethics, Canadian Military operations, etc..
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Do his views correspond with the CPC platform? If not, why is he a sitting member of their party? If the do correspond with the CPC platform, then why do you want to vote for the CPC?
Personally, none of the parties fell right for me - they all have some good policies, but they also have some policies I'm against. I would hope the party Candidate in my riding would reflect the party he is running for.
I'm not in Anders' riding, but I'm not sure he reflects the CPC; especially from what I have read here during the last federal election (the "I'm not voting for Anders, I'm voting against lying Liberals" sentiment was strong). And now he appears to be shielded from any opposition. Why?
The grass roots that formed the Reform, the Alliance and now the CPC must hate the cronyism that seems to be at play in a few different ridings.
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09-07-2006, 11:55 AM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Scorponok
Hrmm...despite all his anti-fans, he keeps winning his riding. Strange indeed. I think it has to do with people disliking the other parties and would rather put up with Anders because of his party than vote in another candidate in a party they dislike or disagree with.
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You could probably run a cow under the conservative banner in Calgary, and it would win.
I don't think anyone votes for Anders, rather they vote for the Conservative Party. Sadly you have a whackjob like him running.
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09-07-2006, 12:18 PM
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Hmm. We have a cow, a monkey and Joe Schmo all suggested as viable, even "sure thing", candidates in Calgary West and a certifiable lunatic sitting as the multiple-term MP.
What exactly is going on on that side of town?
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09-07-2006, 12:34 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
Hmm. We have a cow, a monkey and Joe Schmo all suggested as viable, even "sure thing", candidates in Calgary West and a certifiable lunatic sitting as the multiple-term MP.
What exactly is going on on that side of town?
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I couldn't resist.
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09-07-2006, 01:17 PM
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Well you can start by reading:
http://www.voteoutanders.com/index2.shtml
I remember him sending out a tax payer paid for pamphlet during the gay marriage debate saying (my interpretation) that the Christians of Calgary West needed to join forces with the Jews to prevent the evil Liberals from making the Bible illegal. Because although Chrisitans and Jews can hate each other on other matters, they both hate the idea of gays getting married and if they want to use their religious books to hate gays and inspire hatred against them they should be allowed to and no one should be allowed to ban the bible like the Liberals wanted to do, so they were both served by joining together and fighting back.
It was ######ed. I could not believe it... like deep down in my soul i could not believe it... i just wish i had kept it! I imagine most just threw it out with the other junk mail...
Claeren.
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09-07-2006, 01:19 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Moron-boy has his own web-site:
http://www.robanders.ca/
He has been supportive of a variety of organizations including: The Fraser Institute, the Alberta Taxpayers Association, the Progressive Group for Independent Business, Canadian Property Rights Research Institute, the National Firearms Association, Responsible Firearms Owners of Alberta, Focus on the Family, Canada Family Action Coalition, St Andrew- Caledonian Society, the Alberta Debate and Speech Association, Parliamentary friends of Tibet, and the Sir Winston Churchill Society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Anders
During the 2006 Canadian federal elections, Anders did not attend several organized panels and debates for the candidates in Calgary West
http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/member-qu...?l=10&m=7&s=41
My understanding is that in Holland just a few years ago about 134,000 people would get married in a given year. Holland made same sex marriages about three years ago, and as a result of changes that we are about to embark on, both its homosexual and heterosexual marriages have dropped to around 30,000 per year. That is about a 75% reduction in the number of marriages. Therefore, I imagine it will also result in a drastic drop in the birth rate. Holland already has some issues on that front.
I was wondering how the hon. member feels about that. Does he think that this change to the definition of marriage will drastically affect the number of marriages and the birth rate in this country?
http://calgarygrit.blogspot.com/2005...us-chance.html
I had the dubious chance to attend a Conservative function where Rob Anders was one of the speakers a few days ago. I have some Conservative friends and I figured it'd be good for a few laughs if nothing else. And Rob did not disappoint.
Maybe it was the fact that it was a Conservative event with no media or maybe he's just naturally insane.
Last edited by troutman; 09-07-2006 at 01:29 PM.
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09-07-2006, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Scorponok
Hrmm...despite all his anti-fans, he keeps winning his riding. Strange indeed. I think it has to do with people disliking the other parties and would rather put up with Anders because of his party than vote in another candidate in a party they dislike or disagree with.
I know a lot of people who voted for him in the last election just because they hated the Liberals and wanted to see them out. They didn't exactly like Rob Anders, but their dislike of the Liberals was strong enough for them to at least stomach Anders.
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That riding will always vote conservative. Doesn't matter who they stick in there.
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09-08-2006, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Flames in 07
That riding will always vote conservative. Doesn't matter who they stick in there.
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That is not completely true, although it is admittedly 'likely' for the near term.
Calgary West was actually considered one of Calgary's most liberal ridings for years and with a strong candidate i am confident it could go that way again, either provincially or federally.
A combination of zero incentive to vote liberal based on recent national policy and poor candidates has not done much to take advantage of that potential though.
Claeren.
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09-08-2006, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Alders
My understanding is that in Holland just a few years ago about 134,000 people would get married in a given year. Holland made same sex marriages about three years ago, and as a result of changes that we are about to embark on, both its homosexual and heterosexual marriages have dropped to around 30,000 per year. That is about a 75% reduction in the number of marriages. Therefore, I imagine it will also result in a drastic drop in the birth rate. Holland already has some issues on that front.
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Oooh, tricky guy. By my count, if you've got 30,000 marriages each of homosexual and heterosexual marriages, that's 60,000 marriages, and 120,000 people getting married. That's a reduction of less than ten percent, not 75%. And anyway, his stats are way off. Last year there were over 50 thousand marriages in the Netherlands, with about 1200 of them gay. Man, I wish he was a poster here; he'd be one of those guys who gets ripped to shreds in every debate.
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