[News] Robin Lehner out 6-10 weeks

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by bax

What are you talking about? Hiller is mentally weak? I would argue that Ramo is the mentally weak one.

With Hiller you know what you're going to get, he's not outstanding, but he's consistent. Ramo may have higher highs, but he also has lower lows

Anaheim elected to cut loose Hiller because he was viewed as being mentally weak. That was a pretty substantial decision as Anaheim elected to go with a pretty unproven goaltender in Frederick Andersen, who had a whole 28 regular season and 7 post season games under his belt.

I don't like either guy, but given my druthers I would go with a guy that doesn't rely solely on letting the puck hit him. I also want a guy that can step up as the pressure mounts, and unfortunately that isn't Hiller. Personally I would have burned the goaltending down this summer and tried to find a guy with more of a track record of recent success, but that is just me. Of the three goalies we have, Ortio is the only guy that I think has any future, and probably only as a backup.

I think the Hiller fans really need to understand that the Flames really want to part ways with Hiller. They've been trying to deal him for a while, and thought they had a deal done. This why they re-signed Ramo. Hiller is a known quantity and they aren't happy with the level he can raise his game to. Ramo has shown that he can raise his game. The team just has to get him to think all games are big games. That is the challenge for Ramo and what Ramo fans need to understand.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by New Era

The problem with your logic is Hiller lost his job to Ramo at the most important time of the year.

...He lost his job because the Ducks were Hiller's ex-team and had the book on him after a half-decade of target practice. It's not like Ramo went on to have a great series.

Frankly, the way Hiller was playing down the stretch, if they had stuck with him the Flames probably don't make the playoffs, and if they do, they get bounced by the Canucks early.

What are you talking about? "Down the stretch" (March/April), Hiller posted a .937 save percentage and a 7-2-1 record (.750 points percentage). In that same stretch Ramo posted a .907 save percentage and a 5-2-2 record (.667 points percentage). Any way you look at it, your comment makes zero sense whatsoever.

...And Hiller started all six games against the Canucks, posting a .931 in the series. He was the biggest reason we won games 1 and 4... And it's not like Ramo's .895 in relief was why we won Game 6... we won Game 6 because our offense exploded.

This is why Anaheim got rid of him, and what he showed last season for Calgary. I think he makes a great backup, but as a starter he scares me. I think every team knows this, but is what would make him a good fit for the Sabers at the moment. Treliving obviously feels this way, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to move Hiller and sign Ramo in the off season.

...Anaheim got rid of him because they had three NHL goaltenders and went with the younger players. Gibson was being hailed as the next coming and Andersen had a ridiculous win percentage (20-5-0).

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Also, Treliving did re-sign Ramo.

...to a one year deal. That's not exactly a vote of confidence, it's just a contingency plan in case Ortio, he of the 15 career NHL games, wasn't ready to play 35 NHL games a season.

[Savvy27]

nvm

[bax]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

...He lost his job because the Ducks were Hiller's ex-team and had the book on him after a half-decade of target practice. It's not like Ramo went on to have a great series.









What are you talking about? "Down the stretch" (March/April), Hiller posted a .937 save percentage and a 7-2-1 record (.750 points percentage). In that same stretch Ramo posted a .907 save percentage and a 5-2-2 record (.667 points percentage). Any way you look at it, your comment makes zero sense whatsoever.



...And Hiller started all six games against the Canucks, posting a .931 in the series. He was the biggest reason we won games 1 and 4... And it's not like Ramo's .895 in relief was why we won Game 6... we won Game 6 because our offense exploded.







...Anaheim got rid of him because they had three NHL goaltenders and went with the younger players. Gibson was being hailed as the next coming and Andersson had a ridiculous win percentage.







...to a one year deal. That's not exactly a vote of confidence, it's just a contingency plan in case Ortio, he of the 15 career NHL games, wasn't ready to play 35 NHL games a season.

Great post. I was going to respond to New Era, but I think this covers everything quite nicely.

In the end, neither are the goalie of the future anyways though.

Also what is this talk about the flames having a deal in place for Hiller? That is pure speculation, not fact.

[Locke]

Instead of waiving Ortio until they figure it out perhaps he can be on the bench with a pair of glasses with a fake nose and mustache and impersonate a member of the coaching staff...

[powderjunkie]

Goes without saying, but tied to the younger age of Gibson and Andersen is their cheaper price tags

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I trust Treliving will pull off a Ramo for Eichel trade in the next week.

It would probably take Bennett + Ramo + a first to get Eichel, but man just the thought of Eichel vs McDavid in the BOA...

[powderjunkie]

I'd do that trade in an instant, so it would probably take a LOT more than that

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

It would probably take Bennett + Ramo + a first to get Eichel, but man just the thought of Eichel vs McDavid in the BOA...

No

[GGG]

I wonder if they want to get a month out of Gilles before deciding what to do. If Gilles looks ready for backup duty next year do you skip Ortio and move onto Gilles.

So maybe the decision isn't limited to ramo/ hiller

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

...He lost his job because the Ducks were Hiller's ex-team and had the book on him after a half-decade of target practice. It's not like Ramo went on to have a great series.

And there's no reason to believe that Hiller couldn't have come in after game 2 and took them just as far. Sure he got chased early in game 1 but the whole team wasn't ready and Ramo wasn't any better in relief.

[FiveSeven]

Very confused about all these preconceived notions on Ortio being a backup at best.
He's carried the Heat many times with incredible play, sure he's been inconsistent, but if he fixes his issues I can see him being dominate.
He's got the attitude and athleticism. Where he ends up will be up to his play when he gets a chance.

[sureLoss]

Not a surprise, but Murray says he is going to give the guys in the Sabres' organization a shot before trading for a goalie.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...for-goalie-yet

What is perhaps surprising is LeBrun says the Avalanche are willing to trade Berra or Pickard. Another rival for the Flames on the goalie market.

edit:
LeBrun also says sabres have no interest in Scrivens and Chiarelli sent a memo out to all teams reminding them that Scrivens is available.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Ramo's .895 in game 6. Save percentage from not even one full game. *sigh*

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

It would probably take Bennett + Ramo + a first to get Eichel, but man just the thought of Eichel vs McDavid in the BOA...

You mean Bennett + Ramo + every draft pick we have for the next ten years?

[ScorchyScorch]

Ortio has either been spectacular or very average in the stars he's seen so far. But his athleticism and skill (and ability to track pucks) is more encouraging than what's already been shown and proven in either of the vets.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

Ortio has either been spectacular or very average in the stars he's seen so far. But his athleticism and skill (and ability to track pucks) is more encouraging than what's already been shown and proven in either of the vets.

Ya pretty much. Been there and done that with Ramo and Hiller. The market may never be there for either of these guys.

This is gonna get pretty old by the time this so called deadline comes around for the 3 goalie situation.

Edit: #Free Ortio

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

...He lost his job because the Ducks were Hiller's ex-team and had the book on him after a half-decade of target practice. It's not like Ramo went on to have a great series.


What are you talking about? "Down the stretch" (March/April), Hiller posted a .937 save percentage and a 7-2-1 record (.750 points percentage). In that same stretch Ramo posted a .907 save percentage and a 5-2-2 record (.667 points percentage). Any way you look at it, your comment makes zero sense whatsoever.

...And Hiller started all six games against the Canucks, posting a .931 in the series. He was the biggest reason we won games 1 and 4... And it's not like Ramo's .895 in relief was why we won Game 6... we won Game 6 because our offense exploded.

...Anaheim got rid of him because they had three NHL goaltenders and went with the younger players. Gibson was being hailed as the next coming and Andersen had a ridiculous win percentage (20-5-0).



...to a one year deal. That's not exactly a vote of confidence, it's just a contingency plan in case Ortio, he of the 15 career NHL games, wasn't ready to play 35 NHL games a season.

Hiller took a lot of criticism in Anaheim for being the vet that a team couldn't trust, and who decided to trust not one but two different rookie goalies. Hiller apparently had a tough time finding a contract until the Flames signed him. The way you wrote would be like saying that the reason we are trading Ramo or Hiller is because of Gillies.

Anyways, that is the 'book' on Hiller - inconsistency issues. He isn't a guy you keep around on a championship team, but he is a guy you keep around on a rebuilding or middle-of-the-pack team.

Ramo is not any better or worse. Just a bit younger with slightly more potential there.

I think everyone just has to keep in mind that the Flames are not contending this year, and even if they were, neither goalie would be someone you would want on a championship team today anyways. Now is the time to start figuring out what you have organizationally, and that starts with keeping one of Hiller or Ramo for some stability in the meantime, and letting the other go. I still say it will be Hiller leaving based on all the rumors and the Flames re-signing Ramo, but I think in the end it just comes down to which team puts in a better offer for the goalie they prefer - Hiller or Ramo. I would say at this time, they are probably both available, and first come, first served.

[Samonadreau]

Well put Calgary4Life. Hiller and Ramo got us through the bridge period. Now its time to declutter the crease and give the young guys some exposure to see what they've got. Kepp one veteran around for a bit as a starter.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Hiller apparently had a tough time finding a contract until the Flames signed him.

He signed less than 2 hours into the free agent signing period, shortly after Miller signed with the Canucks.