Legalized Rape in Afghanistan

[Thor]

Watched a great documentary on PBS's Independent Lens called Recycle http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/recycle/ , and I'd highly recommend it to anyone wanting a glimpse at what I would call reasonable Islamists.

These guys are just working to survive, they sit around and talk politics and really aren't that extreme. But then you hear comments like "Any Muslim that lives with infidels are traitors to Islam."

Its weird to see just how ordinary Jordanians are so Religious, every person they talk to they repeatedly bring up God and blessings, its so part of the fabric of every conversation, daily life.

To suggest Islam isn't to blame for the suffering of women is being out to lunch, you can debate whether that treatment is justified or not in the Koran but isn't that the typical problem, people take holy books and interpret them as they see fit.

Obviously socio-economic problems is the major problem for having this backwards and often fundamentalist attitude, like in Recycle the guy says "people here (Zarkawis neighborhood) either go Jihad or if they lucky they have a job."

But the solution to moving Islam into the modern age is to give them reasons to hope, jobs, education and economic growth.

Without that, Fundamentalism thrives and will continue to be a threat to the rest of the world.

[T@T]

Nuke em, nuke em all

[photon]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Fair enough, but Christianity was at one point in those same socioeconomic conditions once as well in Europe (and was just as bad as Islam is now) but it managed to evolve itself into something that while far from perfect, is light-years better than where it was.

And it did it without things like electricity, automobiles, computers, tanks/planes etc etc etc to help it. Like I said, it was far from perfect, and before Christianity came to the place it is today (still far from perfect, mind you) it was responsible for generation upon generation of horrible genocides (like the Catholic Church with the Inquisition, for example) but the idea is that in 2009 we're not driven by fear and ignorance. We have access to infinite amounts of information. Balance between immediate reality and religion is paramount. Think Star Trek, for example.

Agreed, I just don't really think there's anything special about Christianity, it just happened to be right place right time.. if you could replay history and switch Islam and Christianity, would the situations be totally reversed? I'd tend to think so.

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

In light of this I have no problem with spending tax dollars to bring justice to the peoples who suffer under Extremist Islamic (or any other extremist religion's) rule on removing those currently and forever-more in-power through force if needed.

I find it ridiculous that these atrocities are allowed to continue when everyone in the world knows about it.

Yup, crazy things go on in this world, hard to have a meal when you think that dozens of kids will die of starvation around the world during the meal.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by photon

Agreed, I just don't really think there's anything special about Christianity, it just happened to be right place right time.. if you could replay history and switch Islam and Christianity, would the situations be totally reversed? I'd tend to think so.

You've seen Zeitgeist, right? I know its a little bogus, but apply some of their ideas towards the whole born on Dec 25, died, resurrected, ascended, blah blah blah and how it IS, in fact, consistent to a greater or lesser degree among a lot of different religions. Their presentation is wacko, I agree, but the idea behind that particular part of the film is genuine enough for me to cite it, iMo.

Anyway, all religions are the same to me. Its the people that make-up their followings that define and represent them.

[FlameBaked]

No, I agree with moon... the way this thread's title was worded I thought women could just be jumped by a man and it was totaly fine. Infact I remeber reading an article somewhere about a muslim woman who was stoned to death for being raped by her brother. (and not the fun kind of stoned)

After finding out it was "only" *and I say only as in the limited sence not to imply that this is insignificant* a law that allowed a husband to rape his wife I felt that this thread seemed kind of misleading, sure it's still hard to imagine why anybody would think that rape in any form is OK but still, you have to agree that this isnt a law to make rape legal... it's a law that makes one kind of rape legal for religious reasons (crazy god and his rape).

Is it bad yes, but hell I'm just happy it's not what I assumed it was, maybe with any luck we can fix this backassward country... or pull out and ignore the problem, whatever works for ya.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

You can put a negative spin on almost anything by omitting parts that give it context. Just because some lunatics hijack a portion of it to suit their agenda doesnt make the whole thing bad.

If a HOLY BOOK is written to provide moral guidelines for human beings, and that book, no matter who it was written by, is so loosely thought out that it harbors anything inside the book that suggests murder, incarceration, hatred, rape, incest, etc etc etc is ok by them....then the whole thing is garbage, no matter how insignificant the part written is.

[Orange]

So apparently the law is being halted and revised, which I hope doesn't mean worded differently.

http://news.aol.ca/article/controver...nister/588789/
That news site isn't always the most reliable or up to date, so if anyone has any additional information let me know.

In the mean time, score one for the good guys, hopefully

[Devils'Advocate]

Nod's as good as a wink to a blind man....

I fear that it doesn't matter if the law is passed or not.... people get the idea that this kind of treatment will be tolerated.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Cheese

If a HOLY BOOK is written to provide moral guidelines for human beings, and that book, no matter who it was written by, is so loosely thought out that it harbors anything inside the book that suggests murder, incarceration, hatred, rape, incest, etc etc etc is ok by them....then the whole thing is garbage, no matter how insignificant the part written is.

There is no such thing as a true "Holy Book" unless it was written by God him/herself in their own handwriting and then physically handed to humanity.

Islam believes this happened.

Doesn't that sound completely asinine to anyone else?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

There is no such thing as a true "Holy Book" unless it was written by God him/herself in their own handwriting and then physically handed to humanity.

Islam believes this happened.

Doesn't that sound completely asinine to anyone else?

Well sort of...they actually believe a winged horse called a Buraq flew Muhammad and the Arch Angel Gabriel to meet Allah...who dictated the prophecies to him.

Then he [Gabriel] brought the Buraq, handsome-faced and bridled, a tall, white beast, bigger than the donkey but smaller than the mule. He could place his hooves at the farthest boundary of his gaze. He had long ears. Whenever he faced a mountain his hind legs would extend, and whenever he went downhill his front legs would extend. He had two wings on his thighs which lent strength to his legs.
He bucked when the Prophet came to mount him. Jibril put his hand on his mane and said: "Are you not ashamed, O Buraq? By Allah, no-one has ridden you in all creation more dear to Allah than he is." Hearing this he was so ashamed that he sweated until he became soaked, and he stood still so that the Prophet mounted him.[4]

According to Islamic tradition, the Night Journey took place 12 years after Muhammad became a prophet, during the 7th century. Muhammad had been in his home city of Mecca, at his cousin's home (the house of Ummu Hani' binti Abu Thalib's) in Isha'a prayer. Afterwards, Muhammad went to the Masjid Al-Haram mosque. While Muhammad was resting between Baitullah and Hijir Ismail, suddenly the angel Jibril (Gabriel) appeared to him. After this, the Buraq arrived. Muhammad mounted the beast, and in the company of Gabriel, they traveled to the "farthest mosque". The location of this mosque was not explicitly stated, but is generally accepted to mean Jerusalem. At this location, Muhammad dismounted from the Buraq, prayed, and then once again mounted the Buraq and was taken to the various heavens, to meet Allah. Muhammad was instructed to tell his followers how many times per day that they were to offer prayers. The Buraq then transported Muhammad back to Mecca.[5]

[Traditional_Ale]

^ Good post. Thanks for that!

[Johnny199r]

Speaking of rape in Afghanistan, this was disturbing

http://http://www.nytimes.com/2015/0...T.nav=top-news

American soldiers being disciplined by the U.S military for taking action against Afghan warlord allies who keep young boys as sex slaves....

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

Speaking of rape in Afghanistan, this was disturbing

http://http://www.nytimes.com/2015/0...T.nav=top-news

American soldiers being disciplined by the U.S military for taking action against Afghan warlord allies who keep young boys as sex slaves....

No sure how the military could possibly tell you not to act like a human just because your in another country(one you likely don't want to be in). It's beyond me why we try to help these people, the leaders don't want our help, just the handouts.

Just wait till Trump gets a hold of this story.

[Huntingwhale]

Oh joy, another rape thread.


CP should just have an entire stickied sub-forum for everything rape related.

[CliffFletcher]

Cue Sean Connery to Michael Caine in the Man Who Would Be King:

"Now Peachy, different countries, different ways."

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by T@T

No sure how the military could possibly tell you not to act like a human just because your in another country(one you likely don't want to be in). It's beyond me why we try to help these people, the leaders don't want our help, just the handouts.

Just wait till Trump gets a hold of this story.

Makes you really question just how many bad guys Western nations partnered up with there...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

Makes you really question just how many bad guys Western nations partnered up with there...

It's more of a case that there aren't any good guys in Afghanistan, by our way of looking at the world. Not in positions of real power anyway. The warlords, bandits, and tribal leaders were bad long before Western countries were involved in the country, and they'll be bad long after we're gone.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Cheese

If a HOLY BOOK is written to provide moral guidelines for human beings, and that book, no matter who it was written by, is so loosely thought out that it harbors anything inside the book that suggests murder, incarceration, hatred, rape, incest, etc etc etc is ok by them....then the whole thing is garbage, no matter how insignificant the part written is.

Yeah that's plain illogical. Are you fallible, have you made a mistake? If so that must mean you are garbage, everything you said is garbage and everything you ever do will be garbage. That's not reality, you can't read a book and extract useful information? Just see one thing you disagree with and go into ignore mode? Way to exclude a major portion of human history.

So let me get this straight... A book written by human hands isn't perfect? I'm shocked.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Yeah that's plain illogical. Are you fallible, have you made a mistake? If so that must mean you are garbage, everything you said is garbage and everything you ever do will be garbage. That's not reality, you can't read a book and extract useful information? Just see one thing you disagree with and go into ignore mode? Way to exclude a major portion of human history.

So let me get this straight... A book written by human hands isn't perfect? I'm shocked.

I think the point is that history is exactly where it should stay. The fact that it's not perfect isn't a problem, but the fact that many people follow it (and others) as if they are, is.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Yeah that's plain illogical. Are you fallible, have you made a mistake? If so that must mean you are garbage, everything you said is garbage and everything you ever do will be garbage. That's not reality, you can't read a book and extract useful information? Just see one thing you disagree with and go into ignore mode? Way to exclude a major portion of human history.

So let me get this straight... A book written by human hands isn't perfect? I'm shocked.

A post 6 years in the making.