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Yoho · 08-14-2015, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Whether you like it or not, a player who throws a big hit better be ready to defend himself. That's the unwritten code in the NHL and it happens all the time. When the Canucks didn't respond enough to Ferland, they were done.

BS...only fighting non fighters your entire career is pansy a$$

Vulcan · 08-14-2015, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

BS...only fighting non fighters your entire career is pansy a$$

It doesn't matter who the combatants are. You throw a big hit, you better be ready for a response.

combustiblefuel · 08-15-2015, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

It doesn't matter who the combatants are. You throw a big hit, you better be ready for a response.

Except not every big hit needs a fight at the end of it. If its a legal check move on and get the guy back later with one. It just seems that after every big hit someone wants a fight. Im a guy who loves to watch a good scrap on the ice but not every hit should equal one.

calgarywinning · 08-15-2015, 01:31 AM

Back and forth. This was a dirty play. A hit against a player and an injury. Uncalled for in a non critical game.

Cole436 · 08-15-2015, 02:15 AM

People really need to get over this Stempniak hit.

Vulcan · 08-15-2015, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Except not every big hit needs a fight at the end of it. If its a legal check move on and get the guy back later with one. It just seems that after every big hit someone wants a fight. Im a guy who loves to watch a good scrap on the ice but not every hit should equal one.

That's your opinion but it isn't the way it works. It works the way Ference handled it. Hockey is a game of intimidation as well as the other skills.

GettinIggyWithIt · 08-15-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

That's your opinion but it isn't the way it works. It works the way Ference handled it. Hockey is a game of intimidation as well as the other skills.

Well I could argue that's your opinion as well. Not every big hit results in a fight and it doesn't need to. There's plenty of ways to respond and includes responding with a big hit right back, goading the other team into a penalty and putting it in the back of the net. Look at teams like Detroit, . They rarely respond by jumping a player and have been very successful with their style of play. If every big hit deserved a response, I am pretty sure Lance Bouma would have had more than 3 fights last year and I don't recall him getting jumped once.

The example of Ferland and Vancouver is a bad one. Bieksa actually did jump Ferland in the series and it got them nowhere. It's not that they didn't respond, it's that they couldn't respond with the same intensity and level of phsyical play.

The way Ference handled it isn't the norm. It's BS. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Yoho · 08-15-2015, 08:19 AM

I agree it was borderline assault, be interesting to see people's reactions (and the Flames) if it was Johnny on the receiving end of Ference's tantrum.

bax · 08-15-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

I agree it was borderline assault, be interesting to see people's reactions (and the Flames) if it was Johnny on the receiving end of Ference's tantrum.

It would be interesting? I think we all know how that would go. Stempniak is the same size as ferrence, it's time to let it go.

Yoho · 08-15-2015, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bax

It would be interesting? I think we all know how that would go. Stempniak is the same size as ferrence, it's time to let it go.

Feel free to leave the discussion

GreenLantern2814 · 08-15-2015, 09:01 AM

Ference did more for this team than Stempniak ever did. Plus he scored a goal against Montreal in the playoffs and celebrated by flipping off the Bell centre.

He's good people.

Also. Imagine if Edmonton fans biggest reason for hating Iggy was the Sheldon Souray play. Asinine.

ricardodw · 08-15-2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

I agree it was borderline assault, be interesting to see people's reactions (and the Flames) if it was Johnny on the receiving end of Ference's tantrum.

Was Stempniak's shoulder to Ference's head an assault as well? Somebody runs up and hits me in the head with their shoulder pad close to my head and I would be calling the cops.

If Johnny starts running around laying out big hits he better learn on how to hang on until help comes or he will take a beating.

Plus if Ference were to beat down on Johnny then the code says he wouldn't be able to turn down a dance with Bollig AND would make it open season on RNH.

Stempniak took the beat down because he was not going to drop his gloves and grab Ference's arms after it was clear that Ference was going to go.

The only difference between Stempiak's move and a standard Burrows move is that after Burrows runs someone he immediately assumes the Turtle position.

GettinIggyWithIt · 08-15-2015, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Ference did more for this team than Stempniak ever did. Plus he scored a goal against Montreal in the playoffs and celebrated by flipping off the Bell centre.

He's good people.

Also. Imagine if Edmonton fans biggest reason for hating Iggy was the Sheldon Souray play. Asinine.

Re: bolded - yeah not even close to the same type of play. And Iggy was a class act because he obliged Souray 1:1 after that. Even Souray mentioned how much he appreciated that from Iggy.

But the Stempniak discussion aside, I was never a big fan of Ference. To me - he had a good run with the 04 team. Aside from that he had a poor post-lockout season and was average in the season that he got traded to Boston. So apart from the 04 playoffs, I personally didn't see him contributing significantly.

And even for the 04 playoffs - that entire team is going to be golden in our eyes but there are a lot of other guys that I could single out as significant contributors. It's hard to have passengers on a SCF team.

Contributed more than Stempniak- yeah obviously. But two different teams going in two different directions. I doubt Ference could have contributed the same way on the Flames teams over the last few years as he did on some very good teams with them earlier on. He's a legit NHL player - just not someone I would care too much about and have even less respect for because of recent events.

PepsiFree · 08-15-2015, 09:37 AM

I always really liked Ference. Him and Warrener were two of my favourites when they were here. I "don't like" him now because he plays for the Oilers, but that's only temporary really, it's a curable disease

bax · 08-15-2015, 11:28 AM

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Feel free to leave the discussion

Haha okay Mr. Officer, I apologize for sharing my opinion on a message board.

You just called a hockey fight "borderline assault". Stuff like that happens every season. I don't think it's any reason to hold a grudge. Ference is a stand up guy who did a lot of good for the Flames. Perhaps you should feel free to leave the discussion instead of throwing out bizarre hypotheticals that will never happen

Oil Stain · 08-15-2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

I agree it was borderline assault, be interesting to see people's reactions (and the Flames) if it was Johnny on the receiving end of Ference's tantrum.

Alternatively,

If Johnny took a big hit he didn't like and jumped a guy and knocked his tooth out, construction of a statue in his honor would begin the next day...... .....

Street Pharmacist · 08-15-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

Feel free to leave the discussion

You didn't like his opinion so he should leave????

Phanuthier · 08-17-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

It doesn't matter who the combatants are. You throw a big hit, you better be ready for a response.

THe problem for me wasn't so much the hit/Ference punch, it was afterwords Stempniak was skating to the bench holding his tooth while everyone else on our team looked down, scared. Scared and small... that was a very sad thing to see.

Dienasty · 08-20-2015, 10:08 AM

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/125762

He also fought Bieksa here...

Not sure why all the hate, he was a great Flame, does a lot of charity work, and seems like a pretty stand up individual. If you don't like someone going after someone after a big clean hit, I guess we have to hate Iggy to for going after Rinaldo in a Boston/Philly game.

Huntingwhale · 08-20-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

THe problem for me wasn't so much the hit/Ference punch, it was afterwords Stempniak was skating to the bench holding his tooth while everyone else on our team looked down, scared. Scared and small... that was a very sad thing to see.

Same. Honestly I was more upset with the team at the time then I was with Ference. Man that was a pathetically soft team that season.