CBC reporter files complaint with RCMP over unwanted kiss

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well, it looks like those of us who didn't think it was a big deal were right and the guys pretending this was a violent rape were wrong since a simple apology from the kid made it all go away.

Name one person who did this.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well, it looks like those of us who didn't think it was a big deal were right and the guys pretending this was a violent rape were wrong since a simple apology from the kid made it all go away.

That's a little off. Nobody was "pretending it was a violent rape", for one thing.

The reporter went on to say that this kind of harassment happens all the time and that's why she didn't want to just let it go so she filed a complaint. In the end the kid was apologetic and embarrassed and hopefully that will make more of these fools think twice before harassing people.

And, ha ha, the kid has now bailed out of the radio appearance on the advice of his lawyer.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

That's a little off. Nobody was "pretending it was a violent rape", for one thing.

The reporter went on to say that this kind of harassment happens all the time and that's why she didn't want to just let it go so she filed a complaint. In the end the kid was apologetic and embarrassed and hopefully that will make more of these fools think twice before harassing people.

And, ha ha, the kid has now bailed out of the radio appearance on the advice of his lawyer.

Okay, I know, I was being dramatic. But OMGWTF was banging the "sexual assault" drum a little hard throughout the thread. Example:

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

That's exactly what I said. It's sexual assault.

A peck on the cheek should not be described using the same language we use to describe rapes, IMO. I'm pretty sure saying "I'm sorry" doesn't get you off the hook on a rape in the same way it gets you off the hook when you kiss a girl on the cheek.

I am glad the reporter accepted his apology, though. You could tell it was a jarring experience for her and probably a little frightening to be blindsided with somebody in your space when you're in the zone, concentrating on your job. This ended exactly as it should have (assuming the internet warriors don't dig up his name and try to ruin his life now).

[GirlySports]

geez, it's sexual assult, just different levels.

glad it all worked out, kid knows he was stupid.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Sliver

A peck on the cheek should not be described using the same language we use to describe rapes, IMO. I'm pretty sure saying "I'm sorry" doesn't get you off the hook on a rape in the same way it gets you off the hook when you kiss a girl on the cheek.

I actually kind of agree. The softening of language has placed all levels of severity within a single umbrella term...which I guess is fine to a point.

I think rape might be taken a little more serious (on a more comprehensive social level) if the reference to it was as grotesque as the act itself.

I am glad the reporter accepted his apology, though. You could tell it was a jarring experience for her and probably a little frightening to be blindsided with somebody in your space when you're in the zone, concentrating on your job. This ended exactly as it should have (assuming the internet warriors don't dig up his name and try to ruin his life now).

At the same time I hope this kind of foolishness continues to be reprimanded for what it is. Hopefully this incident isn't just swept under the rug and those like it continued to be brushed off as inconsequential.

[White Out 403]

The fact this ended with an apology proves it's ot sexual assault. What a ridiculous description of the event.

[V]

"Sorry I sexually assaulted you."

"It's alright, I'm over it."

Somehow that doesn't sound right.

[Derek Sutton]

nm

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay, I know, I was being dramatic. But OMGWTF was banging the "sexual assault" drum a little hard throughout the thread. A peck on the cheek should not be described using the same language we use to describe rapes

So the issue obviously is not too many people know what sexual assault is in Canada. We don't have a rape charge in Canada. We have different levels of sexual assault. It would surprise people to know what convictions have been achieved as level one sexual assault.

But that's beside the point. The issue with people blowing this off as a nothing event is that 1) most sex assaults in Canada go unreported. The main reason for this is that people think that they are not important enough to report. A part of that problem is people going "it's no big deal" "if someone kissed me I wouldn't worry about it" and so on. It is a big deal if for no other reason than to encourage people who would actually feel assaulted by a random kiss on the whatever.

The second issue I have with people saying this isn't sexual assault is that people react entirely differently to situations based on their own experiences. I will tell you this, a survivor of what you guys call "rape" is going to have a much different perception of some young, harmless, just want to have some fun, guy kissing her than would some average dude in a bar. It's the height of ignorance to give your opinion based on your experience only.

The third issue is just flat out ignorance. The fact that the cops are investigating should tell you that there was a pretty good chance of charges being laid. The fact that the description of what level 1 sex assault is includes kissing, should tell you even more. The fact that the kid's lawyer doesn't want him talking publicly about it is very telling. And the fact that a lawyer said it was the basis for sexual assault in the actual article should pretty much close the case on how many beans makes five here. If there's still a question, go kiss random people on 8th ave tomorrow and see what happens.

And no one including myself ever suggested a life sentence or witch hunt for the guy.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well, it looks like those of us who didn't think it was a big deal were right and the guys pretending this was a violent rape were wrong since a simple apology from the kid made it all go away.

Nice hyperbole. Some of the best I've seen from you in a while and has nothing to do at all with what was being discussed.

[polak]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

But that's beside the point. The issue with people blowing this off as a nothing event is that 1) most sex assaults in Canada go unreported. The main reason for this is that people think that they are not important enough to report. A part of that problem is people going "it's no big deal" "if someone kissed me I wouldn't worry about it" and so on. It is a big deal if for no other reason than to encourage people who would actually feel assaulted by a random kiss on the whatever.

Are you giving people crap for thinking they would not report this?
So because you think it's an outrage, I have to think it's an outrage too?

I've had my junk firmly grabbed by random girls at festivals before. 100% sexual assault by the law. Reporting it never even crossed my mind. Does that make me a bad person?

[Deviaant]

Just out of curiosity then, if a peck on the cheek is some level of sexual assault what does that mean for the kiss on either cheek as a way to greet someone. How does that get a pass.

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[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by polak

Are you giving people crap for thinking they would not report this?
So because you think it's an outrage, I have to think it's an outrage too?

I've had my junk firmly grabbed by random girls at festivals before. 100% sexual assault by the law. Reporting it never even crossed my mind. Does that make me a bad person?

You missed the point. The fact that you're so hot and people can't keep their hands off your junk doesn't mean that this reporter isn't the victim of a crime. Get it? You might love the attention of junk grabbers but that is absolutely meaningless when it comes to this person feeling, in her own words, "violated".

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Deviaant

Just out of curiosity then, if a peck on the cheek is some level of sexual assault what does that mean for the kiss on either cheek as a way to greet someone. How does that get a pass.

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We discussed this earlier, a greeting and a stranger are different. Europeans do not randomly kiss each other on the cheek. They know each other or are introduced.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Deviaant

Just out of curiosity then, if a peck on the cheek is some level of sexual assault what does that mean for the kiss on either cheek as a way to greet someone. How does that get a pass.

Because it's a question of cultural norms and expectations. If you live somewhere that a kiss on a or each cheek is a normal and culturally accepted way of greeting, then you expect that such a greeting will happen (and if you don't like being greeted that way, expect it coming and have a rote escape planned).

If you live somewhere that such a greeting isn't the norm (like, say...North America...) then it could be considered an assault by the person who didn't see it coming, didn't expect it, and didn't want it.

Yes, it means that someone visiting North America from a place that is acceptable could, if they didn't do their research, get into trouble. Yes, it means that if someone who doesn't live where that is acceptable goes somewhere it is and they lock up and accuse someone of doing it as assaulting them they may not have their claim taken seriously.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

You missed the point. The fact that you're so hot and people can't keep their hands off your junk doesn't mean that this reporter isn't the victim of a crime. Get it? You might love the attention of junk grabbers but that is absolutely meaningless when it comes to this person feeling, in her own words, "violated".

You have repeatedly called this incident a sexual assault. You don't know if that's true. You are acting like an internet warrior and if this guy's name gets tied to this a remorseful 17-year-old kid is going to be branded a sexual deviant for the rest of his life unnecessarily and unjustly.

If a court of law wants to convict him of a sexual assault, then fine, this is a sexual assault. Until then, get off your high horse and call this what it was - a kid kissing a grown-up on the cheek. He's been reprimanded, he's apologized, and the apology has been accepted by the woman.

We're not missing the point. You're missing the bigger picture that, no, this isn't a big deal and, no, this incident should not be painted with the same brush (i.e. language) as a rape.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

"You didn't say it initially" NO, I didn't say at all

You would have assumed wrong I'm afraid, I was just reworking your question to a more fair question that could be applied and asked.

When it comes to parents, if you have a drunk men going around kissing children on the playground it brings up a lot of alarming warning bells that any parent should be taking notice of... I think my example is a much more fair question then trying to tie this into a child molester type fears witch your example would easily set off.

Ask a question but by stretching it so farit no longer becomes a fair question... defeats the purpose of asking because no one will answer it.

OK, we'll take the kid out of it. The original post I replied to was trying to equate drunkenly kissing an unaware stranger to kissing your grandmother. Also not really a fair comparison.

How about if I drunkenly slap you wifes ass in the produce department, not hard just a nice little double tap as i smile at her. I mean I do that to my wife sometimes when i come home and she's making dinner. I'm not trying to have sex with her, just playing around, being friendly.

I'm betting your reaction wouldn't be to look at her and say " relax honey, he probably does that with his wife and really means nothing by it".

Now I'm not saying anything about sexual assault, just that because you do something with a family member, doesn't make it okay to do with a stranger.

[Looch City]

The fact that this kid got a lawyer means that #### was getting serious. Glad it was resolved peacefully and I'm sure her message was heard thoroughly given the popular discussion here.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Zevo

OK, we'll take the kid out of it. The original post I replied to was trying to equate drunkenly kissing an unaware stranger to kissing your grandmother. Also not really a fair comparison.

How about if I drunkenly slap you wifes ass in the produce department, not hard just a nice little double tap as i smile at her. I mean I do that to my wife sometimes when i come home and she's making dinner. I'm not trying to have sex with her, just playing around, being friendly.

I'm betting your reaction wouldn't be to look at her and say " relax honey, he probably does that with his wife and really means nothing by it".

Now I'm not saying anything about sexual assault, just that because you do something with a family member, doesn't make it okay to do with a stranger.

The grandma comparison was to give a frame of reference for just how sexual a kiss on the cheek is, which is to say it isn't sexual at all. Slapping an ass is different because an ass is a private part. You wouldn't slap your grandma on the ass, but you would kiss her on the cheek.

[polak]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

You missed the point. The fact that you're so hot and people can't keep their hands off your junk doesn't mean that this reporter isn't the victim of a crime. Get it? You might love the attention of junk grabbers but that is absolutely meaningless when it comes to this person feeling, in her own words, "violated".

Your post just came off as blurring the line between understanding why someone might be offended and seemingly having the responsibility to be offended yourself.

(also there is no pride in being felt up by messed up festival girls with pupils the size of toonies)