So I finished the whole season. On a whole I liked what they did better than the bloated books. They streamlined the plots and made them relevant. Particularly Sansa's storyline was much better bringing her right into the action, Jamie and Bronn as well.
It wasn't without some serious flaws however.
The Dorne story (which was already incredibly weak in the books) was made inconceivably worse. The only redeeming thing about Dorne in the books was the allusion to Doran's grand plan. Instead there's a miscast actor with no mention of the plan. The sand snakes were incredibly clumsy and only there to provide t&a, in all that was a huge fail.
Jon's death was much worse. In the book there was a whole political reason for killing Jon, in the TV version the animal spirits of men do it. Much less compelling, much less story driven. That was a big mistake honestly. Making Jon's death about some mutiny regarding bigotted nights watchmen is just much thinner than making it about Jon foresaking his oath to not attack Westeros.
Anyway, in all I enjoyed the season. I liked the big set pieces in Episodes 8 and 9. Hardhome was much much better than in the books where you only get vague allusions to what happened. Cersei's walk of shame was very well done. Dany's assasination attempt was greatly improved upon.
I can't wait for Season 6 when they really can free themselves of the books now. I hope they use this opportunity to build in more political drama and less interpersonal human conflict. I want story about the battles between houses, alliances, and the vices of power seeking men. Less about oaths and petty conflicts.
So I finished the whole season. On a whole I liked what they did better than the bloated books. They streamlined the plots and made them relevant. Particularly Sansa's storyline was much better bringing her right into the action, Jamie and Bronn as well.
It wasn't without some serious flaws however.
The Dorne story (which was already incredibly weak in the books) was made inconceivably worse. The only redeeming thing about Dorne in the books was the allusion to Doran's grand plan. Instead there's a miscast actor with no mention of the plan. The sand snakes were incredibly clumsy and only there to provide t&a, in all that was a huge fail.
Jon's death was much worse. In the book there was a whole political reason for killing Jon, in the TV version the animal spirits of men do it. Much less compelling, much less story driven. That was a big mistake honestly. Making Jon's death about some mutiny regarding bigotted nights watchmen is just much thinner than making it about Jon foresaking his oath to not attack Westeros.
Anyway, in all I enjoyed the season. I liked the big set pieces in Episodes 8 and 9. Hardhome was much much better than in the books where you only get vague allusions to what happened. Cersei's walk of shame was very well done. Dany's assasination attempt was greatly improved upon.
I can't wait for Season 6 when they really can free themselves of the books now. I hope they use this opportunity to build in more political drama and less interpersonal human conflict. I want story about the battles between houses, alliances, and the vices of power seeking men. Less about oaths and petty conflicts.
Couldn't disagree more with bolded points. Sansa as Jeyne Poole has been talked to death, so I won't go there.
But Siddig el Fadil (or Alexander Siddig) I think is great actor, the writers made Dorne an abortion this year. And it's not his fault. I don't think he was miscast at all. I mean should he be a bit more gout like? Probably, but I can over look that.
I have a shrine to book Dorne in my house. Arys and Arianne's chapters were highlights of that book for me. I was so looking forward to Dorne this year. But alas, it was so, so, so bad.
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You think Sansa meandering around the Vale with Baelish for 100 pages was better than Sansa being plomped right into the middle of the fracas?
Sansa's story line in the book is the worst of all of the major characters. At least now she has a narrative purpose. I didn't like the rape scenes, I understood that they're using Sansa to make Ramsay look that much more villainous but it's a major improvement in the plot to have Sansa and Theon united in their escape than some unknown character we don't care about in Jeyne Pool.
On Doran, I just wanted a guy that was clearly more pained and physically feeble. A guy who's swollen, can barely move but is driven by seeing revenge for his house. This actor just didn't do it for me at all.
You think Sansa meandering around the Vale with Baelish for 100 pages was better than Sansa being plomped right into the middle of the fracas?
Sansa's story line in the book is the worst of all of the major characters. At least now she has a narrative purpose. I didn't like the rape scenes, I understood that they're using Sansa to make Ramsay look that much more villainous but it's a major improvement in the plot to have Sansa and Theon united in their escape than some unknown character we don't care about in Jeyne Pool.
On Doran, I just wanted a guy that was clearly more pained and physically feeble. A guy who's swollen, can barely move but is driven by seeing revenge for his house. This actor just didn't do it for me at all.
I didn't need to see Sansa have all her agency removed for another season.
But if you curious about my views on that, I invite you read previous comments in both threads.
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There are some rumoured casting calls that leaked recently.. I really hope they aren't trolling.
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Legendary Fighter: A man in his thirties or forties who is a great swordsman and a paragon of knighthood. He carries a famous sword. The show is seeking a very impressive swordsman for the role- the best in Europe, for a week of filming fight scenes for a season 6 role. His ethnicity/race isn’t specified, unlike many other roles.
Is it really happening? If we hear any rumours of Sean Bean coming back then we will know it is true. I do remember reading an article after season one where D&D basically said they had good reasons to not include the flashback in the show. I am guessing that reason is because they would have tipped the hand of John's heritage in season 1. Now is the right time to reveal the Targaryen.
Ahh wouldn't this be a great way to reveal the High Sparrow's history, start with him having a flash back of saving Ned Starks life against Dayne and revealing that he is in fact Howland Reed.
OR
It could be a flash back for Jamie Lannister. He was knighted by Ser Arthur Dayne in the battle against the Kingswood Brotherhood when Dayne killed the Smiling Knight. That makes sense as they are casting all of these characters for an 'outlaw band'. Maybe this is to wet our whistle of who Arthur Dayne is before a ToJ flashback in season 7?
Also looks like the North is going to be a big focus for season 6 including recasting the Great Jon. I am guessing that all of the stuff with Manderly will be put on to him since the show is familiar with this character already.
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Ahh wouldn't this be a great way to reveal the High Sparrow's history, start with him having a flash back of saving Ned Starks life against Dayne and revealing that he is in fact Howland Reed.
After reading your quote, I got pretty excited about this theory, but I then found this video which made me feel that it ain't true (he first talks about the reasons why it may be true, the last half or so is the part where he points to facts against the theory):
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Benioff and Weiss obviously weren't married to the novel story line, so I think they could have been more creative then they were with Sansa's story.
I didn't need to see Sansa brutally victimized again.
As I posted in the other thread...
Sansa on the parapet at arrow point: "I know what Ramsay is and what he'll do to me. If I'm going to die, let it happen while there's still some of me left."
She doesn't get to that point if she's simply shuttered away in her room being forced to eat cold Camembert.
After reading your quote, I got pretty excited about this theory, but I then found this video which made me feel that it ain't true (he first talks about the reasons why it may be true, the last half or so is the part where he points to facts against the theory):
So, watching his videos, learned about another theory from the books, in spoilers as the theory name might be obvious.
But... just check it out, so worth and hardly deep plot stuff, involves the gravedigger theory
Spoiler!
Cleganebowl - for Cersei's trail, she picks Robert Strong (aka, the mountain returned from the dead ) and the faith brings back the hound (return from the dead). 2 of the top two fighters in the world, with tons of hate.
The mountain may have similar traits to the undead white walker army.
aka Fire bad for the fight for both sides.
But then he ruins it by pointing out holes, but nothing drastic.
I think in support of John being either an Other like Cold Hands or Azor Ahai is that he can warg into Ghost, thus "preserving" his soul, so to speak. Once his body is restored to life his soul can make a full recovery, unlike Katelyn Stark or Berik Dondarrion who both lose a bit of themselves (as described by Berik) every time they are brought back to life.
You spelt Jon, Catelyn and Beric wrong but got Azor Ahai?
Probably saw GreenLantern doing it and wanted to get in on the Yeah_Baby attention.
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Jon I blame on auto correct but as to the rest, I can only cry mercy as I've been studying hard and my brain is sleepy. Shall we discuss this new theory of mine?
Melisandre saw a man, a wolf, then a man again or something. We know that skinchangers go into their animals when they die thanks to a one-off PoV chapter and Jon's last words were Ghost.
So yeah, it's a pretty sound theory.
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Just picked up the world of ice and fire today.
If the Targaryens could go ahead and think up a few new names, that would be greeeeat.
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