CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[squiggs96]

Devo says he's willing to hammer after starseed's death post. Starseed posts it but then Pux pulls her vote off. Any chance we get a hammer or are we going to have to wait until the deadline? Pux talked about putting heat on after she does the opposite. If everyone's content to wait this out should we just check in Sunday night when Day 6 starts?

[Oling_Roachinen]

I really really didn't like Starseed's 'mistake' about the spore. I also don't like that Hockeyguy15 seems to have been a lot more lenient on the 'mistakes' of Lego Man/Starseed than he has with, for example, dissentowner. I believe that if Starseed is scum that Hockeyguy15 deserves a very hard look.

However, there was also a literal tie last round. We know there's a Turned who's at least been communicated with once, with the possibility of a second Turned and possibly multiple communications between the Host and Turned. So if Starseed was a Host, would there not be a bigger push to save him?

Timbo, Hockeyguy15, devo22, Starseed, SebC, GGG and Bizaro86 all voted to save Starseed/kill Mrkajz44 last time. Right now only Hockeyguy15 and GGG are sticking too their guns and that concerns me.

[starseed]

PE: Changing my stats to not include myself as a known townie would be a pointless waste of time. I didnt spend all that time on the spreadsheet for your benefit. I did it to help myself track down scum.

I am using those vote patterns as a supplemental tool to show behaviour, not as an accurate map.

mrkaj: Aside from the message from Mazrim, I think the best evidence for SebC being town is when he pushed focus away from activestick after he dropped the hint that he was not so vanilla-y. However, the posting style is not very helpful to the town, especially if he is turned at some point.

I think looking at the voting patterns can help you see what a typical scum would do, but there could very well be exceptions. I think that Timbo's altered vote patterns are suspicious, but that doesn't weigh as heavily as how the votes went down and what events have taken place. However, it does raise him up in my scum list. Mind you, I refuse to play this game without ever taking shots at Timbo.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I really really didn't like Starseed's 'mistake' about the spore. I also don't like that Hockeyguy15 seems to have been a lot more lenient on the 'mistakes' of Lego Man/Starseed than he has with, for example, dissentowner. I believe that if Starseed is scum that Hockeyguy15 deserves a very hard look.

I've already said a couple times that I haven't jumped on his mistakes because he isn't as high on my suspicious list. The more likely I think you're a host the more I will scrutinise your posts. Diss made multiple mistakes while higher on my list, Lego made one and starseed made one while being lower on the list.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Starseed, why Party Elephant over Squiggs96?

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

However, there was also a literal tie last round. We know there's a Turned who's at least been communicated with once, with the possibility of a second Turned and possibly multiple communications between the Host and Turned. So if Starseed was a Host, would there not be a bigger push to save him?

I believe the term for that is WIFOM.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Starseed, why Party Elephant over Squiggs96?

It helps test my mrkaj suspicions. PE changing to ECF helped to save mrkaj. They were both insistent that they were not linked. Mrkaj even voted PE. However, they have been working closely since the heat was on mrkaj. I also think he played to misdirect when I screwed up the detail on who he was voting for on that day. The main point was exactly the same - that his vote saved mrkaj.

However, even if mrkaj is town, I still get a strong scum feeling from PE. Lego pointed out earlier on that he could have been trying to set up HG for day 3 once the town dealt with town girly on day 2. The minor tells have also been there, like expressing what the town would be feeling when things were not going well.

Also, if mrkaj is scum, then I think his vote for PE lines up well with him being on the runner up for the first couple of days, and only ever voted for a confirmed townie (from my perspective) when it was against me (and his back was against the wall). I feel stronger for a PE vote than a mrkaj vote.

As for squiggs, I cannot shake the feeling that I had when I went after him last game. I had strong feelings then for him being scum, and it turned out disastrous. However, he seems more careful and calculated lately.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I believe the term for that is WIFOM.

I think the addition of the Turned skews that. We could have all came out and voted the same, resulting in a 7-6 vote for mrkajz44 with me being a deciding vote and no one would look particularly suspicious compared to how the day ended yesterday.

But throw in a Turned or maybe two, who I believe would be used as cannon fodder, and if Starseed was Host I feel like there should be more support for Starseed then he has.

A simple "change your vote to Mrkajz44" message last night would have been the likely message if the Turned was voting for Starseed. And yet the only person who has moved away from Starseed is our confirmed townie, while he gained a vote from Timbo:

Yesterday end: Peanut, mrkajz44, Party Elephant, squiggs96, Puxlut, dissentowner
Current: Party Elephant, Peanut, mrkajz44, squiggs96, dissentowner, Timbo

[squiggs96]

Since there doesn't seem to be much action, I feel like injecting some fun. Mafia should be a fun game, and right now we are all kind of just waiting for tomorrow's deadline. That's not fun. No one is close to hammering, so let's see what happens if the vote starts going another direction. If nothing else, it will hopefully help the game pick up. I'll be watching the Giants game on TV tonight, but will be around to discuss and to play.

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[squiggs96]

It takes 8 votes to hammer, 5 to deadline lynch

Hasn't Voted (2): devo22, Puxlut

starseed (5): Party Elephant, Peanut, mrkajz44, dissentowner, Timbo
Party Elephant (3): bizaro86, starseed, squiggs96
mrkajz44 (2): Hockeyguy15, GGG
squiggs96 (2): Oling_Roachinen, SebC

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

but will be around to discuss and to play.

Except when the discussion paints you in a bad light or?

At this point I'm not even a little bit confident you're scum, but out of principle I'll have to vote for you for the remainder of the game if you don't attempt to answer my questions.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Except when the discussion paints you in a bad light or?

At this point I'm not even a little bit confident you're scum, but out of principle I'll have to vote for you for the remainder of the game if you don't attempt to answer my questions.

I look forward to your votes for me, and to you asking the same questions over and over, even if they've been answered (e.g. my stance on Seb).

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I look forward to your votes for me, and to you asking the same questions over and over, even if they've been answered (e.g. my stance on Seb).

What's your stance on SebC then?

Remember how easy you made last game for the scum? Because I do.

There's 0 harm in reiterating your position if it was unclear or missed. So why was SebC not on your town list (whatever you want to call it) that included just me and Puxlut?

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I really really didn't like Starseed's 'mistake' about the spore. I also don't like that Hockeyguy15 seems to have been a lot more lenient on the 'mistakes' of Lego Man/Starseed than he has with, for example, dissentowner. I believe that if Starseed is scum that Hockeyguy15 deserves a very hard look.

However, there was also a literal tie last round. We know there's a Turned who's at least been communicated with once, with the possibility of a second Turned and possibly multiple communications between the Host and Turned. So if Starseed was a Host, would there not be a bigger push to save him?

Timbo, Hockeyguy15, devo22, Starseed, SebC, GGG and Bizaro86 all voted to save Starseed/kill Mrkajz44 last time. Right now only Hockeyguy15 and GGG are sticking too their guns and that concerns me.

What's the logic for you to think there is a confirmed turned, Oling? Because the spore is lost? I was thinking about it and one other possibility could be that it's been passed to a host. Announcing they had received it wouldn't be a smart move I don't think - you and Girly took a lot of heat for announcing the spore location early on in the game. Why would a scum want to bring similar attention onto themselves? Too dangerous imo.

There's definitely a possibility there is a turned in the midst since nobody is talking about it getting the spore. It's just not confirmed in my mind. Or I'm not following your logic on how we know it's confirmed.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

At this point I'm not even a little bit confident you're scum, but out of principle I'll have to vote for you for the remainder of the game if you don't attempt to answer my questions.

Well, this isn't a very helpful stand to be taking if you're town. We need to hunt scum (and turned). Not vote based on posting vendettas.

[Hockeyguy15]

I still wonder why people keep thinking the hosts passed themselves the spore, especially when we haven't hit any of them with a lynch. It makes hardly any sense to me.

Oling what are your thoughts on Mrkajz and PE, not as a connection just thoughts on reach of them?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Peanut

What's the logic for you to think there is a confirmed turned, Oling? Because the spore is lost?

Why would a townie not reveal important information about getting the spore (and who they sent it to) today?

Originally Posted by Peanut

Well, this isn't a very helpful stand to be taking if you're town. We need to hunt scum (and turned). Not vote based on posting vendettas.

Principle. If a townie wont answer a question, then they are a bad townie and you kill them. Or they are scum and want to avoid the discussion. Squiggs96 has known my position for real-life days and still doesn't want to answer a straight forward question (maybe even have to answer again, oh the humanity!)

[GGG]

I'm of the theory that neither of mr Kajz or Starseed is scum.

Given the choice I will save Starseed. There is no movement because the scum don't care who gets lynched. I would much rather lynch PE

Can we get movement on to him.

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I still think people are voting Starseed for subbing in and Lego being inactive neither of which are alignment indicitive. MrKajz pings me a little but I look at that early vote where we have two known townies and pe, mrk, and Starseed and PE is the most suspicious.

Go back and look at his progress day 1 through day 4 and evaluate if it's natural learning or coaching.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

What's your stance on SebC then?

Remember how easy you made last game for the scum? Because I do.

There's 0 harm in reiterating your position if it was unclear or missed. So why was SebC not on your town list (whatever you want to call it) that included just me and Puxlut?

If you remember how much it helped the scum, then how much sense does it make to continue to pursue it if you're town? It doesn't bother me if you do. Multiple times I've said I don't consider Seb a host but I do have my suspicions of him. I don't get obsessed with him like others do. I thought people considered you and Pux the top 2. I didn't feel like expanding the list. Maybe I'm lazy. Maybe I missed him. It doesn't concern me.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I think the addition of the Turned skews that. We could have all came out and voted the same, resulting in a 7-6 vote for mrkajz44 with me being a deciding vote and no one would look particularly suspicious compared to how the day ended yesterday.

But throw in a Turned or maybe two, who I believe would be used as cannon fodder, and if Starseed was Host I feel like there should be more support for Starseed then he has.

A simple "change your vote to Mrkajz44" message last night would have been the likely message if the Turned was voting for Starseed. And yet the only person who has moved away from Starseed is our confirmed townie, while he gained a vote from Timbo:

Dangit oling, you make some good points.

I absolutely can't stand the way starseed is posting, whether it be poorly researching his arguments, dancing around questions, subjective stats that make the crux of his argument "people voting for me are scum", or trotting out the same arguments against me that I'm just so tired of defending (did you guys hear that lego posted a theory about me on day 3? he's referenced that post like 5 times). The most annoying part of it is if I posted the way he does I'd have been voted out ages ago, but he gets a pass from a bunch of you for his play in previous games, and I feel like he is coasting on a reputation while not putting much effort into the actual game we're playing right now. Unfortunately, he is under my skin to the point that I might just be voting for him because I dislike his style. GGG called this "squiggsing".

But I agree. If he's town then the scum must be thrilled to keep things quiet in here. I'm operating under the assumption that there is at least one turned and possibly two out there so we're getting into crunch time here. If we vote out another townie and another gets turned all of a sudden the scum side has 6 of 13 players. We could very realistically lose this game by the end of day 6. I still believe we had at least one scum on the hook at the end of day 4, and I believe bizarro's fumbling was not an accident. So I'm going to see what turning up the heat on mrkajz does. If he flips scum, then I'm going right after bizarro next.

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