2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[sharkov]

I like Hudler but Antony Mantha and a 1st rounder is too tempting to not take

[DionTheDman]

Imagine a blueline led by OEL and Brodie, though. That would be something to behold.

[Racki]

Moved to Hudler thread

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by sharkov

I like Hudler but Antony Mantha and a 1st rounder is too tempting to not take

First off that is two first round picks for Hudler, from the team that did not re sign him. That trade would put egg on all the Detroit management faces. Not to mention that's a former first round pick and a first round pick. For Detroit's former third line player lol!

Red Wing fans would be so mad!

Why are we trading Hudler though? Was in the top ten in scoring this past season. Are we trading him cause he is getting older? He is younger than Gio right? We all talk about a massive deal to resign Gio, Why not Hudler?

Hudler is the Gio of the forwards! Veteran player, great with the kids, and leads by example! I am not talking Matt Stajan and 15 points a year. I am talking top ten in the league in scoring.

Is Hudler a secondary player or part of the core? He led the team in scoring. Better than Monahan or Gaudreau. Stats like corsi lie all the time, goals and assists do not. They are actual stats that the player produced.

When will Hudler get some respect around here?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

First off that is two first round picks for Hudler, from the team that did not re sign him. That trade would put egg on all the Detroit management faces. Not to mention that's a former first round pick and a first round pick. For Detroit's former third line player lol!

Red Wing fans would be so mad!

You mean like how the Red Wings lost Kyle Quincey on waivers and ended up trading a 1st round pick to reacquire him 3 years later?

But yes, I agree, Mantha and a 1st for Hudler seems like a pipe dream.

[Roof-Daddy]

I find myself wanting the Flames to trade for a guy like, let's say....Milan Lucic, for example.

However, I am really reluctant to see the Flames give up the young assets it would take to acquire a player like that, especially since the team is still rebuilding. But, if the Flames cashed in a big fat trading chip like Hudler for some solid young assets, I for one would be much more receptive to the above happening.

[bax]

Originally Posted by New Era

Exactly. A team in a rebuild doesn't make deals like this. This is how a team becomes mediocre for a decade. All that is missing is a me-centric star player that forces management to build around him. Keep your assets and develop depth that makes your team a power because every line and every position is superior.



Trying to jump start the rebuild or what? Top teams have depth that make them superior to their competitors. That depth is found through the investment they make in drafting and developing their own talent. Giving up three top end prospects, proven or not, is a very questionable move for a team trying to improve and become a contender.



No #### they would. Any team in the NHL would. What insight.

Is this for real? Every team in the NHL would make that trade. This isn't fast tracking the rebuild. Acquiring a 23 year old number one defenseman would be a huge benefit for the rebuild. The guy will probably win a Norris someday. Not to mention getting him without giving up one player from your team except for the 7th d man.

In the end it doesn't matter because there's no way that package gets you OEL anyways

[Lanny_McDonald]

^^^ Very real. This is a team in year two of a rebuild. This is not the time to start tossing around multiple high end assets to try and land one you might just draft this year yourself. You become a contender by having depth at every position. I would think Flames fans would have learned something from the past two decades about building and holding on to depth. Stay the course and fill holes when the team has started to take shape. That time isn't now.

[bax]

Originally Posted by New Era

^^^ Very real. This is a team in year two of a rebuild. This is not the time to start tossing around multiple high end assets to try and land one you might just draft this year yourself. You become a contender by having depth at every position. I would think Flames fans would have learned something from the past two decades about building and holding on to depth. Stay the course and fill holes when the team has started to take shape. That time isn't now.

You're acting like this is the flames adding Bouwmeester to try and get the most out of an aging core. Adding OEL would be about getting a franchise player to grow with the core. The guy is a top defenseman in this league.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one

[Hugh Jahrmes]

After the sweet deal we gave toronto on #3, Id say they owe us a little bit of a break on #4

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Point being, they're not going to trade their #1 star defenseman for 3 unproven pieces. One of our big 3 would have to be included in any realistic deal.

Yet another reason to steer clear.

There's no denying he's a great defenceman, but the assets required to acquire him would be too costly to this franchise. I'm not saying he's overrated, but because of his young age his acquisition would not represent good trade value for this franchise.

Also, would Arizona trade him? They have him locked down on a reasonable contract until 2019.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Yet another reason to steer clear.

There's no denying he's a great defenceman, but the assets required to acquire him would be too costly to this franchise. I'm not saying he's overrated, but because of his young age his acquisition would not represent good trade value for this franchise.

Also, would Arizona trade him? They have him locked down on a reasonable contract until 2019.

He's a Franchise defense man. People were willing to give up multiple firsts for Hamilton? Well OEL is even better then Hamilton. Quite a bit.
But yes, I agree that any deal that would require Bennett/Monahan/Gaudreau/Brodie/Gio you say hell no.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Point being, they're not going to trade their #1 star defenseman for 3 unproven pieces. One of our big 3 would have to be included in any realistic deal.

Yeah. People who pitch this sort of goofy speculation should stop and take a moment - maybe 10 seconds - to consider it from the other team's point of view. Why would Phoenix, undergoing a rebuild themselves, trade away a 23-year-old number one defenceman? Ekman-Larson is the core of their rebuild. It makes less sense (and is even less likely) than the Flames trading away Monahan.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah. People who pitch this sort of goofy speculation should stop and take a moment - maybe 10 seconds - to consider it from the other team's point of view. Why would Phoenix, undergoing a rebuild themselves, trade away a 23-year-old number one defenceman? Ekman-Larson is the core of their rebuild. It makes less sense (and is even less likely) than the Flames trading away Monahan.

Calgary inquired about Myers when Buffalo was fielding offers... Monahan, Bennett or Gaudreau were tabbed to be part of the return buffalo was seeking. BT smartly walked away from that.

I'd guess the OEL is considered at least as good as Myers is...

[ForeverFlameFan]

OEL is so underrated around here. He's always the best player on the ice, and he plays for the freakin' Coyotes.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Imagine a blueline led by OEL and Brodie, though. That would be something to behold.

It... would be great... and yet not as good as Giordano and Brodie already is. Gio/Brodie is already something to behold

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Probably fair value but why do it?

15 OA = future 1st line RW or 2nd pairing D
Poirier = not-too-distant future top 6 RW
Wotherspoon = only NHL-ready defence project

3 good assets for one good player... Doesn't seem like a good deal to me.

You are joking right? Brad would do that deal so fast it isn't funny but the Yotes sure as hell wouldn't.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are joking right? Brad would do that deal so fast it isn't funny but the Yotes sure as hell wouldn't.

three birds in the bush vs a kid that is projected to be the #1 D in the desert for the next 10 years...

reverse the equation: we we trade TJ Brodie for that package?

Its possible that none of those players are any more than bottom 6 players and a 3rd D pairing...

<edit> i misread the post i think... BT would offer up the 15th, Poirer and Wotherspoon in a second for OEL...I agree with that for sure...but no way ARZ goes for that...

OEL is the coyotes version of bennett, monahan or Gaudreau

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 868904

This makes me feel good, because it tells me that Chiarelli still doesn't have a grasp on the true problems with the Oilers.

It's not the goalies, it's the forwards and their commitment to team defense.

The new coach should solve that problem, but if the Oilers want to spend assets, go ahead. Hopefully they give up the 16th overall for him.

I don't see Talbot as any better than Scrivens or Fasth, or Dubnyk.

Not sure how you can say that. The Oilers have multiple true problems. You've mentioned one of them. The other are the fact they don't have a #1 goalie, and they don't have many top 4 defensemen. All need to be solved. Just because Chiarelli is looking to improve one of their positions doesn't mean he's clueless that they need help on defense and up front as well.

[jschick88]

Holland on the Mantha rumors:

Holland said on Sunday, "I don't think 'willing' is the right word. We've got some people I would consider untouchable, both on the Detroit Red Wings and within the organization. In order to explore what's out there we got to be able to consider parting with some people. I'm not going to tell you where Mantha fits in with that until we explore the trade market."

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....ony_man_2.html