Western Conference Playoffs - Round 2: Blackhawks vs Wild (Hawks win 4-0)

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Chicago could definitely be the next NHL dynasty

Define "dynasty" though. They're already what I would consider a modern one, but they're unlikely to win 3-4 cups in a row.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Chicago could definitely be the next NHL dynasty

5 WCF in the last 7 years now?

Boy oh boy am I glad Kane and Toews' have a combined 20m cap hit next year with Seabrook a pending UFA. Hopefully Panarin, Teravainen, Paliotta etc don't pan out for them.

[Roof-Daddy]

2009 - Lost in Conference Finals (DET)
2010 - Won Stanley Cup
2011 - Lost in 1st round (VAN)
2012 - Lost in 1st round (PHX)
2013 - Won Stanley Cup
2014 - Lost in Conference Finals (LAK)
2015 - In Conference Finals

That's somewhat of a dynasty in the CAP era IMO, especially if they win the Cup again this year.

[Caged Great]

If, and I mean if, the Flames advance, I would much rather be facing the Hawks than the Wild. It would be interesting to see the old Kane and Toews vs the new version (Monahan and Gaudreau).

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

If, and I mean if, the Flames advance, I would much rather be facing the Hawks than the Wild. It would be interesting to see the old Kane and Toews vs the new version (Monahan and Gaudreau).

Yeah... sorry, not even close. Maybe in a few years, but not right now.

[Meers]

I suppose the good news is that with so many nights off before the start of the next series Hossa might conceivably retire.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TBone290

Definitely not trying to jump the gun here...
but what if Flames advance, it'd be our "Toews & Kane" verus their Toews & Kane. That'd be quite a story line

I'd can honestly say I'm okay with us getting worked over in 4 games by the Hawks if it shows Money and Johnny what actually being Toews and Kane takes.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

Yeah... sorry, not even close. Maybe in a few years, but not right now.

If you combine the Duo's PPG and extrapolate it over 82 games, the Hawks duo had 12 points each more than ours (76 -- 64) but Kane missed 1/4 of the season and the Hawks pair only finished with 4 more points than our duo.

Considering we're talking about a couple players in their first/2nd season and two of the established stars in the league, the fact that it's even a close-ish comparison is awesome.

[thefoss1957]

It looks like the 'Hawks will trade old, slow, and sloppy (Rozival) for young, speedy, and completely inept in his own zone (Rundblad) or quick and undersized (Cumiskey) for the WCF...I expect Rozival to retire...No way will Q put out a Rundblad/Timonen pairing, he might us Cumiskey/Timonen , but I expect the 'Hawks will ride they top 4, and again spot Timonen and Rundblad/Cumiskey with others for under 9 minutes/game each.

The Wild brought it, but too late...and Dubnyk didn't seem the unbeatable, super goalie that the media had painted...the Seabrook and Kane goals were AWFUL.

Vanek was the Least Valuable Player of this series...the guy killed his own team...For all the media bluster about the Wild being the next big thing, they need better scoring depth beyond the top line plus Niederreiter .

And sorry nmhen, Matt Cooke is, IMO, the worst kind of cheap shot artist (as is Shaw for us!)...I am glad he didn't cripple one of our guys, because at times, he seemed to be trying (whereas Shaw is more a yapper than actually a hazard)

In the end, the Wild proved game, but overmatched, by the 'Hawk forward Depth, and the skill of our top 4 D on the breakout...and how about the backhand lob pass from Hjammer to Bickell to set up the 2 on 1 Kane goal?

nmhen...Better luck next season...you've got some building blocks in place, although I am not sure about Pominville or Vanek...the Buffalo is no good taint seems to be smeared on them.

and I had mentioned in prior threads this year, that I was hoping for a Flame/Hawk playoff matchup at some point in the playoffs, for the live discussion it would engender here at CP, a WCF would be stellar!

[Gaudreau]

I'm more scared of the ducks than the Hawks tbh, IF we can manage to take out the ducks there's no reason to doubt the flames chances to upset the Hawks too in 6 or 7.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

2009 - Lost in Conference Finals (DET)
2010 - Won Stanley Cup
2011 - Lost in 1st round (VAN)
2012 - Lost in 1st round (PHX)
2013 - Won Stanley Cup
2014 - Lost in Conference Finals (LAK)
2015 - In Conference Finals

That's somewhat of a dynasty in the CAP era IMO, especially if they win the Cup again this year.

A dynasty to me is winning multiple Cups like the Oilers and Islanders. The Hawks have been a very good team for years, but not really even close to a dynasty IMO. Pretty tough to be, really.

[Samiz]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider them a dynasty if they made it to the 2nd round in 2011 and 2012? What if they win this year?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

A dynasty to me is winning multiple Cups like the Oilers and Islanders. The Hawks have been a very good team for years, but not really even close to a dynasty IMO. Pretty tough to be, really.

The days of dynasties are over but I would say they are the most dominant team since the Wings of the late 90's early 00's. The Penguins and Bruins had their moment and faded, the Kings have won two cups but really haven't had the regular season success you would expect from a dominant team while the Hawks still look as good as ever.

[Flashpoint]

4 cups in 5 years min. Maybe 6 years.

It's a high bar, but dates back to Oilers, Islanders, and Canadiens winning consecutive championships with domination. Nobody has come close since the 80's. Perhaps it's like Gretzkys 50 in 39, or Richard's 11 cups - never to be seen again in a parity driven league.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

4 cups in 5 years min. Maybe 6 years.

It's a high bar, but dates back to Oilers, Islanders, and Canadiens winning consecutive championships with domination. Nobody has come close since the 80's. Perhaps it's like Gretzkys 50 in 39, or Richard's 11 cups - never to be seen again in a parity driven league.

I completely agree. The NHL hall of fame has an exhibit for dynasties and list the following ten teams:

The Ottawa Senators of 1919-20 to 1926-27
4 championships over 8 seasons.

The Toronto Maple Leafs of 1946-47 to 1950-51
4 championships over 5 seasons.

The Detroit Red Wings of 1949-50 to 1954-55
4 championships over 6 seasons.

The Montreal Canadiens of 1955-56 to 1959-60
5 championships over 5 consecutive seasons.

The Toronto Maple Leafs of 1961-62 to 1966-67
4 championships over 6 seasons.

The Montreal Canadiens of 1964-65 to 1968-69
4 championships over 5 seasons.

The Montreal Canadiens of 1975-76 to 1978-79
4 championships over 4 consecutive seasons.

The New York Islanders of 1979-80 to 1982-83
4 championships over 4 consecutive seasons.

The Edmonton Oilers of 1983-84 to 1989-90
5 championships over 7 seasons.

To compare where the Hawks are at right now:

The Chicago Blackhawks of 2010-11 to 2014-15
2 championships over 5 seasons. (still have a chance to win this year)

IMO, to get in the dynasty converstaion the Hawks would have to win this year and next.

http://www.hhof.com/htmlExhibits/exCupDyn.shtml

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Define "dynasty" though. They're already what I would consider a modern one, but they're unlikely to win 3-4 cups in a row.

"Dynasty" is being watered down to the point of "superstar player". Now we have to call some guys "generational players". So what's the next level after dynasty? "Empire"?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

Yeah... sorry, not even close. Maybe in a few years, but not right now.

It is closer than you are saying obviously at 26 and 25 the Hawks duo is far ahead and has proven a ton. What the Flames duo has done as a 20 year old sophomore and 21 year old rookie is extremely impressive and share similarities with the Hawks pair.

I really think the best comparison for Mony-Johnny is the Hawks duo

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

"Dynasty" is being watered down to the point of "superstar player". Now we have to call some guys "generational players". So what's the next level after dynasty? "Empire"?

It's all a by-product of parity. Teams can't horde all the talent because of the salary cap. Players are bigger, faster and in much better physical condition. Even the best player in the league like Crosby doesn't have near the separation that Gretzky and Lemieux had in their days as most players are maxing their potential with fitness, conditioning and extensive practice. Defensive systems are much more complex and the game is now overly focused on taking away what players do best. It's just the evolution of sports with increasing technology and knowledge.

[Resolute 14]

Oh, I well know that. My poorly worded point is that there is no such thing as a "modern dynasty". The entire concept is no longer relevant in the modern NHL.

[GioforPM]

Wild Dubnyk sure looked like Oiler Dubnyk on a couple goals. I wonder what they will offer him on a new contract. It's a weird negotiating situation.