[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH)

[devo22]

I feel bad for Glencross. He probably had high hopes ahead of this season and thought he could be the one to replace Cammalleri and earn himself a nice payday with a career year ... then Gaudreau comes in and outplays him, then he even loses minutes to Lance Bouma, then he gets traded and his former team doesn't miss a beat and doesn't miss him for a minute, and then he even gets scratched in the playoffs with his new team. Couldn't have happened at a worse time too since it's a contract year.

Never was a huge fan of Glencross myself, but the way he was trashed here was ridiculous at times. The truth is that the contract he signed was an absolute steal (he scored 126 points in 196 games during this 4 years contract after all) and the Flames received great value for 2.5m a year. Feel bad for him (well, as bad as I could feel for a guy who still made 10m over the last 4 years ^^) that he takes a discount first and then the wheels come off in his contract year of all things ... just bad luck.

Hope he can rebound next season ... just don't go to Edmonton.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I was cheering for Glencross. Though he was never my favorite player, I thought he was one of those really valuable depth guys who can at times turn a game around for his team. I was glad the Flames moved him - especially given the return - but was hoping he would find some success and sign his last big contract somewhere other than Calgary in the off-season.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Glencross fans always bring this up. I think he was paid more than he was worth for the entire duration of his last contract. He made $2.55 mil/ year and averaged 17 goals and 17 assists through the 4 years of the deal (some of it injury plagued). How much did people expect him to make? It is folklore that King took him for a horseback ride in the mountains and totally fleeced him for a hometown discount. The dollars seemed about right to me for a lower tiered winger with no leadership abilities.

Good luck in breaking the bank on your next (non-hometown discount) contract Curt (just not in Calgary)!

Disagree. Glencross brought more to the table than just points, but even on that basis, there are plenty of underwhelming players pulling $3.5+. I think he could have earned more, but took less for the NMC. That was his choice, no doubt.
I do agree that his current play will cost him some cash. No idea what his number should be.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Disagree. Glencross brought more to the table than just points, but even on that basis, there are plenty of underwhelming players pulling $3.5+. I think he could have earned more, but took less for the NMC. That was his choice, no doubt.
I do agree that his current play will cost him some cash. No idea what his number should be.

My biggest problem with him was he brought "more to the table than just points" about 25% of the time. His play was (more often than not)disinterested and weak. He better pick it up or he may take an unintended tour through the NHL ala Bork. If he doesn't pick it up he may wish he took another hometown discount.

A player of Glencross' ilk will never see another no trade clause contract.

[Dime_On_Flames]

nm wrong thread

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Wonder if he winds up in Edmonton next year?

It wouldn't surprise me, especially if they fire Lowe and MacTavish.

If he does, I hope someone good gets #20 next year so I can get my jersey re-crested.

[SOMBRI2]

Glencross chose the paths IMO. The mentality not giving in enough intensity for what it takes is a reason he was not favored by Hartley. Yes, the emergence of Bouma and Johnny Hockey has impact. But guys like Stajan, Jones as veterans who earn more are willing to become foot soldiers on third or fourth line. Why couldn't Glencross?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by SOMBRI2

Glencross chose the paths IMO. The mentality not giving in enough intensity for what it takes is a reason he was not favored by Hartley. Yes, the emergence of Bouma and Johnny Hockey has impact. But guys like Stajan, Jones as veterans who earn more are willing to become foot soldiers on third or fourth line. Why couldn't Glencross?

I think he was playing injured

[N-E-B]

I'll eat some crow, I thought we'd miss Glencross. But to those of you saying he's entitled and a poor leader, give your head a shake. Hartley isn't an idiot. The guy was wearing an A for a reason, and that reason is not because he is a lazy entitled whiner. You were never in that dressing room so don't pretend to know what he was like. He loved Calgary and he loved being a Flame. The lack of respect for this guy shown by some of you is sickening and embarrassing.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I'll eat some crow, I thought we'd miss Glencross. But to those of you saying he's entitled and a poor leader, give your head a shake. Hartley isn't an idiot. The guy was wearing an A for a reason, and that reason is not because he is a lazy entitled whiner. You were never in that dressing room so don't pretend to know what he was like. He loved Calgary and he loved being a Flame. The lack of respect for this guy shown by some of you is sickening and embarrassing.

A lot of people were similarly annoyed in the last season that Conroy played for the Flames that he was brought back even though it was Conroy and all the fanfare and positivity that fans had towards him as a person. The level of play for Connie had dropped off significantly and some people, myself included, wanted the Flames to go in another direction. That didn't mean that I hated Conroy and wanted him gone never to be heard from again. I was hoping that he would find another role in the organization (and I am glad he's the AGM).

It's the same situation here. Glencross' abilities had taken a hit and it was time to move on. Too many up and coming youngsters that are too good to have an inconsistent 3rd liner taking a spot. That shouldn't mean that one's opinion of Glencross the person should change. He was a good player for the Flames for a lot of years and I wish him nothing but the best where ever he ends up. It just won't be here because there are too many guys champing at the bit to take a spot here.

[PeteMoss]

Glencross reminds me guys Sutter would pick up to play on the lower lines as his run went out (Friesen/Amonte, etc). They just don't have the drive and willingness to slam themselves headlong into the boards that younger guys have. You're better off with a Jooris who's hoping to stick and make some money over a guy who's already made a bunch of money.

[Bingo]

Glencross is coming to one of those really interesting cross roads in his career, and I see it as having two options.

1) Go the highest bidder in the summer, and then struggle and become Bourque like with an anvil for a ticket that teams constantly shuffle around.
2) Think outside the box and sign for less in a good situation and have a contract that affords him some wiggle room in not having to produce 20 goals and 50 points every season.

They usually choose 1) but I think agents need to start thinking 2) more often.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Glencross is coming to one of those really interesting cross roads in his career, and I see it as having two options.

1) Go the highest bidder in the summer, and then struggle and become Bourque like with an anvil for a ticket that teams constantly shuffle around.
2) Think outside the box and sign for less in a good situation and have a contract that affords him some wiggle room in not having to produce 20 goals and 50 points every season.

They usually choose 1) but I think agents need to start thinking 2) more often.

Good points but really the only player I can think of (of the top of my head) that actually did option #2, is Glencross when he signed his four year extension here


He still roughly produced 20/50 every season over the contract while providing leadership and some ( a lot) of people still complained about him

[sureLoss]

Glencross scratched for game 5 too.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Well things couldn't have gone much worse for Glencross. I bet he signs for 2 years $4m AAV tops after this. Would have been better of to get a season ending injury a few weeks ago than get healthy scratched in the playoffs.

[GioforPM]

IIRC Vermette has been scratched as well. The rentals aren't working out so well.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by neo45

Good points but really the only player I can think of (of the top of my head) that actually did option #2, is Glencross when he signed his four year extension here


He still roughly produced 20/50 every season over the contract while providing leadership and some ( a lot) of people still complained about him

He roughly produced significantly less than that, never hitting the 50 point plateau in his entire career.

In fact, this season he broke 30 points after consecutive seasons below 30 points. That's Backlund levels of offense. That's Joe Colborne levels of offense.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

In fact, this season he broke 30 points after consecutive seasons below 30 points. That's Backlund levels of offense. That's Joe Colborne levels of offense.

I'm not his biggest fan but let's be 100% fair to Glencross: he might have not had 30 points last season or the season before but it's not like he had much chance of it given the number of games played in either. The first of those two years was a lockout and hitting 30 in that year is akin to going over 50 typically...so his production is right in line with the years before in the prorated 40-50 region. The second (last season) was a pretty bad year in terms of Glencross' health. He had a very short period of healthy play and produced at his typical level in the time he was healthy. Getting even remotely close to 45-50 points would put him in the over a point per game production.

His points totals in Calgary this year, like above, seem to fit the trend of his normal production if we extend to his typical 70-80 games. So I think it's fine to say that his production around 40-45 points is fairly constant.

I will say though that I didn't mind him being traded: he didn't seem to fill any spectacular need in Calgary and I honestly couldn't say he looked good on ice despite his point production (which is a good case against what I say above as points aren't everything to a player's game).

[Flash Walken]

You're using hyperbole to make your point and then disagreeing with me when I point it out.

He's played more than 70 games twice in his entire career, therefor 70-80 games is not his 'typical' rate.

In the lockout season, he missed 8 games, which prorated would have once again seen him play less than 70 games.

If we're going to be fair to Glencross we need to start with an accurate assessment of what he's actually done. The only thing consistent about Glencross appears to be his inability to play a full season.

[Erick Estrada]

I hope he finds a good deal but he's probably seen his value slide big time from what he may have been looking at prior to this season.