Kerry Killed A Teenage Foe; Lied To Gain Medal

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

That is war for you, come on it is the simple fact that even when your enemy is fleeing you kill them. A solider that escapes is a soldier that fights another day. That is if this is all true.
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[jonesy]

I don't like Kerry or the Democrats but that seems a little "off" you know what I mean?

[kermitology]

Didn't Kerry become an anti vietnam war advocate upon returning from the war? If so, then this behaviour doesn't seem likely.

[Cowperson]

John Kerry's crewmates that day tell the story in this article. They say killing the lone enemy saved all their lives.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Nightline/P...l_040624-1.html

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

I know that if I was in the field and I had a chance to take out an enemy either through killing, grievous wound or capture I would do it or I would be cursing myself for stupidity when this guy came back and did me in.

War is all about removing pieces from the board in the most efficient means possible that allows you to stay on the board.

I certainly wouldn't cry about taking out somebody that had the potential of killing me on that day or any other day

[octothorp]

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out--it seems to me that it would further align many soldiers and soldiers' families with Kerry--the guy made a split second decision in the heat of battle, and carries with him the question for the rest of his life as to whether he made the right decision. I think a lot of pro-military people will understand that, even symathize with it. If the Kerry team wanted to, I think they could spin this into a very positive thing--Kerry taking decisive action to save lives--his war record is very different from the 'indecisive' persona that his detractors portray. Probably the Kerry team will leave it alone, but it's a big risk for his opponents, bringing up his war record.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by octothorp@Aug 5 2004, 04:21 PM
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out--it seems to me that it would further align many soldiers and soldiers' families with Kerry--the guy made a split second decision in the heat of battle, and carries with him the question for the rest of his life as to whether he made the right decision. I think a lot of pro-military people will understand that, even symathize with it. If the Kerry team wanted to, I think they could spin this into a very positive thing--Kerry taking decisive action to save lives--his war record is very different from the 'indecisive' persona that his detractors portray. Probably the Kerry team will leave it alone, but it's a big risk for his opponents, bringing up his war record.

Attempting to bash his military record is a non-starter and could easily backfire in the political ring.

I just don't see the upside in this and I can certainly see voters looking at this smear attempt in a negative way. They might have a point if John Kerry had been out lobbying hard to get himself awarded a medal but that doesn't appear to even be remotely the case. The guy wouldn't even talk to his daughters about what happened in Vietnam let alone the rest of the world. And killing chickens!!??

In fairness, both sides are coming up some really diabolical things to discredit each other.

This is one of the dirties elections I've ever seen and both sides are active participants.

Cowperson

[La Flames Fan]

Don't forget this IS Matt Drudge we're talking about.....

[Displaced Flames fan]

I'm not familiar with Matt Drudge. He must be a nobody.

In any case, I didn't read anything in that report that would make me think any less of John Kerry.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Aug 5 2004, 04:46 PM
I'm not familiar with Matt Drudge. He must be a nobody.

In any case, I didn't read anything in that report that would make me think any less of John Kerry.

Matt Drudge is the one who basically broke the Monica Lewinsky scandal....He is a staunch supporter of the right and reaches a mass audience with his website and radio show....He's along the lines of Rush and Hannity, but to a lesser degree....

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by fotze+Aug 5 2004, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Aug 5 2004, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Aug 5 2004, 10:46 AM
I'm not familiar with Matt Drudge. He must be a nobody.

In any case, I didn't read anything in that report that would make me think any less of John Kerry.

Unfortunately he isn't a nobody. [/b][/quote]
He isn't? Can you explain to me why in the middle of the heart of the conservative states he's nowhere to be found on the radio or TV?

We've got Rush, Hannity, Savage, Boortz, Bruce etc, etc, etc,....no Matt Drudge.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by La Flames Fan+Aug 5 2004, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (La Flames Fan @ Aug 5 2004, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Aug 5 2004, 04:46 PM
I'm not familiar with Matt Drudge. He must be a nobody.

In any case, I didn't read anything in that report that would make me think any less of John Kerry.

Matt Drudge is the one who basically broke the Monica Lewinsky scandal....He is a staunch supporter of the right and reaches a mass audience with his website and radio show....He's along the lines of Rush and Hannity, but to a lesser degree.... [/b][/quote]
Well, the Lewinsky thing needed to be broken did it not?

In any case, the quotes are all from a book that has been published so I don't think Matt Drudge should be the object of your scrutiny here do you?

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by fotze+Aug 5 2004, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Aug 5 2004, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

He isn't? Can you explain to me why in the middle of the heart of the conservative states he's nowhere to be found on the radio or TV?

We've got Rush, Hannity, Savage, Boortz, Bruce etc, etc, etc,....no Matt Drudge.

I think he is more internet than anything else. I hope you have that there.


I have heard his site is pretty bloody popular.


VISITS TO DRUDGE 8/05/04

09,391,398 IN PAST 24 HOURS
227,455,849 IN PAST 31 DAYS
2,637,700,962 IN PAST YEAR

Mind you internet stats are kind of shady. [/b][/quote]
I think Matt Drudge is an equal opportunity insulter, simply delighting in digging up the garbage laid by anyone.

But, as Displaced noted, its the book we're talking about, a picture of the cover on the link that was pasted above. Looks like Drudge is on solid ground in saying this book is coming out and what it contains.

Now . . . . is the content of the book relevant?

Cowperson

[Displaced Flames fan]

Thanks to Al Gore, we do have the internet!

I think the former soldiers who make these allegations are poor excuses for soldiers themselves. Nothing in that report was horrid enough that one soldier should turn on another. I'd imagine each of these guys have similar events to their credit somewhere along the way.

[Five-hole]

Well, if you want to talk about military service records, would you rather vote for a guy who did his duty and possibly saved his compatriots lives, or for someone who went AWOL for over a year?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Five-hole@Aug 5 2004, 05:18 PM
Well, if you want to talk about military service records, would you rather vote for a guy who did his duty and possibly saved his compatriots lives, or for someone who went AWOL for over a year?

You have no proof of that and neither does anyone else.

Equally as stupid an issue to bring up as the one that started this thread.

[Clarkey]

Is killing a guy who was ready to blow you up with a grenade launcher worthy of a bravery medal?

I don't know.

I think all soldiers who fought in Viet Nam must of had to be pretty brave. I was kind of disappointed when I read how he got his medal, to me it seems like this would have been just a regular occurance of war.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Clarkey@Aug 5 2004, 05:27 PM
Is killing a guy who was ready to blow you up with a grenade launcher worthy of a bravery medal?

I don't know.

I think all soldiers who fought in Viet Nam must of had to be pretty brave. I was kind of disappointed when I read how he got his medal, to me it seems like this would have been just a regular occurance of war.

That's not what he got the medal for, but I see your point. The medal was awarded for leading an outnumbered offensive.

[Five-hole]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Aug 5 2004, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Aug 5 2004, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Five-hole@Aug 5 2004, 05:18 PM
Well, if you want to talk about military service records, would you rather vote for a guy who did his duty and possibly saved his compatriots lives, or for someone who went AWOL for over a year?

You have no proof of that and neither does anyone else.

Equally as stupid an issue to bring up as the one that started this thread. [/b][/quote]
That was essentially my point. Why would the right bring this up when they have a similar issue hanging over their heads, which -- if true -- is far more damning than this.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Five-hole+Aug 5 2004, 05:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Five-hole @ Aug 5 2004, 05:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You have no proof of that and neither does anyone else.

Equally as stupid an issue to bring up as the one that started this thread.

That was essentially my point. Why would the right bring this up when they have a similar issue hanging over their heads, which -- if true -- is far more damning than this. [/b][/quote]
The 'right' didn't bring it up. Soldiers who served with Kerry did. To their shame IMO.