[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by FBI

This thread reminds me of the Cammalleri, "Oh noes how will we ever replace his production????!!" Hmm replaced easily and now have better offense.

Now it's "Oh noes how will we ever replace Glencross??!!"
Hint: Bennett is coming next year and might even do some wing time.

Most of us aren't talking about next year

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

He took a steep hometown discount to play here.

I don't agree. $2.5 million/ 8 goals sounds about right to me.

[Split98]

I have to laugh at all the questions of where the production is going to come from. There are LONG stretches where I forget this guy is even on the team. I've pondered up lines without even a smidge of thought towards where Curtis goes and when he was injured Hudler looked like a much more appropriate 'A' on this team.

The 'A' was mis-given, and I've been saying it from the start of the season. He has always disappeared, and looking at his scoresheets year by year shows that. He turns up enough games over stretches where his numbers look... fine. But he rarely, if ever, comes through in the clutch. Currently, he has 1 GWG for 8 (yes, 8.). Last year 2 for 12, and the year before that 3 for 15.

I get that we can grab any column to criticize any player but I've disliked Glencross for exactly this for a while now: he doesn't show up when we need a goal. I'm sure everyone has one happy memory of when Scoreface clinched it; but I'd rather have Monahan (4 GWG), Jooris (4 GWG), Bouma (3 GWG), JH (3 GWG), Hudler (2), Wideman (2), Giordano (2), Backlund (2) or Brodie (2) out there than Scoreface. I have full confidence he won't be missed and I certainly didn't miss him when he was injured.

Edit:
Sorry, just one more thing. I was thinking this, but when was the last time you actually saw Glencross on the LW? Answer: not too often.

Over the last 10 games (according to leftwinglock.com anyway) the most consistent lineup Glencross has been a part of was Raymond - Stajan - Glencross and that was only 3.96% of the time. 3.82% of the time he lined up with Raymond - Jooris - Himself. That's 7.78% of the lineups that involved Glencross on the Right Wing. Granted, him and Raymond cycle board duties often, but I don't think he's been lining up on the LW for faceoffs too often at all.

For record, the most frequent lineups were:
Bouma - Backlund - Jones 21.49%
Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler 18.73%
Raymond - Colborne - Jooris 7.41%

Seems like a pretty set 3 lines to me!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

I don't agree. $2.5 million/ 8 goals sounds about right to me.

Over the term of this contract, Glencross has scored more goals than any other Flame - by a wide margin.

Show me another player in the NHL who has the most goals on his team over a 4 year span, and makes anything CLOSE to Glencross' salary.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Over the term of this contract, Glencross has scored more goals than any other Flame - by a wide margin.

Show me another player in the NHL who has the most goals on his team over a 4 year span, and makes anything CLOSE to Glencross' salary.

What relevance does that have on a rebuilding team?

Our top goal scorers are:
Monahan, Hudler, Gaudreau, Wideman, Giordano, Raymond, Jones, Jooris and Bouma. So he's scored more than Giordano over the last 4 years. I'm not all that impressed...

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Over the term of this contract, Glencross has scored more goals than any other Flame - by a wide margin.

Show me another player in the NHL who has the most goals on his team over a 4 year span, and makes anything CLOSE to Glencross' salary.

The Flames were a non-playoff team during the time that you quote. So your argument for Glencross is that he was the best player on a bottom dwelling team. Time to move on...Glencross has been surpassed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Split98

What relevance does that have on a rebuilding team?

Our top goal scorers are:
Monahan, Hudler, Gaudreau, Wideman, Giordano, Raymond, Jones, Jooris and Bouma. So he's scored more than Giordano over the last 4 years. I'm not all that impressed...

Facts are facts, whether you're impressed or not.

Also, one decent week and he passes half those guys. He was injured for a while and has struggled since returning (a pretty common situation). He has also been taken off the PP.

But simply dismissing him, purely because you feel like it, is hardly a compelling argument for your case.

[JohnnySkittles]

If we can get a 2nd + prospect, I'm all for it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

The Flames were a non-playoff team during the time that you quote. So your argument for Glencross is that he was the best player on a bottom dwelling team. Time to move on...Glencross has been surpassed.

Far easier to try and move the goalposts then address the point, I guess.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

The Flames were a non-playoff team during the time that you quote. So your argument for Glencross is that he was the best player on a bottom dwelling team. Time to move on...Glencross has been surpassed.

But that wasn't what he was responding to. He was responding to your ridiculous comment that $2.5 million per year for Glencross isn't a hometown discount.

During the life of that contract thus far Glencross has put up 0.64 points per game.

For an 82 game season that translates to roughly 53 points.

So again, in what world is that not considered a bargain in the NHL?

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Facts are facts, whether you're impressed or not.

Also, one decent week and he passes half those guys. He was injured for a while and has struggled since returning (a pretty common situation). He has also been taken off the PP.

But simply dismissing him, purely because you feel like it, is hardly a compelling argument for your case.

Irrelevant facts are irrelevant facts, I'm not just ignoring your POV because I like disagreeing with you.

Just because Bill was employee of the year 4 years running in the 90s doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to him napping in the break room. Given the current state of this roster, he isn't cutting it.

'One decent week and he passes half those guys' isn't really all that believable at this point. He hasn't scored since Dec 29.

The fact is, we have two options with Glencross whether you're a fan of him or not: trade him, or pay him like a top-6 winger. I can't imagine you really think he's going to be a top-6 winger this year or next.

[Enoch Root]

In the 90s? We're talking about now. He is the highest scoring Flame over the 4 years up to, and including, this year.

[Harry Lime]

wrong thread/sry

[wired]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

I do not for the life of me understand why so many people want Glencross gone. I haven't heard of any off ice issues. He seems to be very well liked in the dressing room. He loves playing in Alberta. He took a steep hometown discount to play here. He puts up 40 points every year. He hits. He can play up and down the lineup.

If we trade him this year, who picks up his production?

Quite a few players in the line up so far....Bouma is one that has been mentioned. IMO Glencross is not even close to the player he has been in the past.

[Itse]

Replacing the points is not the issue, replacing the defensive responsibility and physical game while not missing out on points is what I'd be worried about. We have rookies that could maybe put up points, but you can't expect those defensive skills yet. (Monahan is a freak of nature in that regard, and even he wasn't that good last year.)

If you look at how the minute are split among players, Glencross has been the go-to winger when we're protecting a close lead, especially on defensive zone faceoffs.

Sure maybe Bouma has just recently surpassed him in the same role, but if you're serious about playoffs, you probably want a couple of those guys, because we'll be playing some pretty deep teams.

That's not to say that I'm furiously against trading Glencross. I'm just saying that all this talk of points is missing a big part of the picture.

If you ask me, I'd let him go for a high 2nd rounder or equivalent defensive prospect. But I would not put pressure on him to waive his NTC. The guy has earned some respect.

(Way more than he's getting on this site for sure.)

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, one decent week and he passes half those guys.

Been a while since he has had one of those.

As well if he scores 50 he'll be leading the league in scoring!

He is on a downward arc and I want no part of another "hometown discount".

[t0rrent98]

Is it possible that Boston offers the same players for Glencross that they did for Iggy? :P. Haha.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Been a while since he has had one of those.

As well if he scores 50 he'll be leading the league in scoring!

He is on a downward arc and I want no part of another "hometown discount".

He nearly smacked one in last night, sometimes that's all it takes to get some confidence and your touch back.

So, you don't want an Alberta Boy, back on a Hometown discount, may I ask where your from?

[sureLoss]

Friedman's 30 thoughts also says Tampa is possibly interested
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...-2015-rumours/

4. The clock is ticking on Calgary forward Curtis Glencross. For the season, he is fourth among Flames’ forwards at 16:52 per game, but that changed once he returned from injury last week. His highest total since is 15:42, but three games were below 14 minutes.

Glencross has no-trade protection, but that hasn’t stopped the likes of Boston, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay (possibly) and Winnipeg from sniffing around at various points this season. No one is talking, but it doesn’t seem like contract talks are gaining traction. It is believed Glencross prefers Anaheim, but it would surprise no one if he works with the Flames to widen that list.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Is it possible that Boston offers the same players for Glencross that they did for Iggy? :P. Haha.

Treliving should say "Ok thanks" then gang up before Chia rethinks it.

Bart wasnt so great last night either...