Toronto is no good

[transplant99]

Seth Jones is all of 20 years old...wont be 21 til next season and BT has him capped as a #3 at best....a guy that easily could have and was thought to have been number 1 overall in a draft so deep that 4 guys who went on the 2nd round were at one point considered 1st rd talent.

Stunning.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Seth Jones is all of 20 years old...wont be 21 til next season and BT has him capped as a #3 at best....a guy that easily could have and was thought to have been number 1 overall in a draft so deep that 4 guys who went on the 2nd round were at one point considered 1st rd talent.

Stunning.

No I haven't. I stated he is right now a #3 when someone laughable called him a franchise D-Man.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Players in small hockey markets get incredibly overrated.

Haha. Small market?

Phaneuf? Overrated
Lupul? Overrated
Kessel? Overrated

Hell, if Wendel Clark played in Nashville, he'd have been forgot about many years ago.

Big markets overrate players and Toronto is just the worst at it

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The odds actually work very well in his favour. The point here is that it would be a mistake to draw comparisons between Jones and Josi at present and then conclude from these their potential.


He was also the fourth defensman drafted. Seth Jones was a legitimate candidate to be the top pick in the best draft since 2003.


Who the hell cares? I already agreed that he is a good player. But he is no Seth Jones.


And Drew Doughty looked great at 20 and looks even better now. So what?

At the end of the day, I would take my chances with Jones being a better player in the long run than Reilly, than Josi, than Kessel, and most certainly better than L. Schenn and Myers.

Not really beacause Roman Josi has far exceeded expectations. He's about to become a 50+ point D-Man playing excellent hockey with physicality before he hits his prime. It's now much more difficult for Jones to surpass Josi.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Haha. Small market?

Phaneuf? Overrated
Lupul? Overrated
Kessel? Overrated

Hell, if Wendel Clark played in Nashville, he'd have been forgot about many years ago.

Big markets overrate players and Toronto is just the worst at it

In what world is Phaneuf and Kessel overrated? All they get is crap for being terrible.

Seriously, who's complimenting them?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

In what world is Phaneuf and Kessel overrated? All they get is crap for being terrible.

Seriously, who's complimenting them?

In a world where people are saying a deal with Nashville for Kessel nets Toronto Seth Jones

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

In a world where people are saying a deal with Nashville for Kessel nets Toronto Seth Jones

So a few fans saying that means more than the thousands more saying that he's terrible. The media thinks he's horrific.

And Yes, he is worth Seth Jones. Kessel can help Nashville win a cup.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

No I haven't. I stated he is right now a #3 when someone laughable called him a franchise D-Man.

Its just because he is below Josi and Weber on the depth chart in nashville. If he was on the flames, i can guarantee you that he would be deemed a " franchise d man ". Take weber and josi out of nashville, he would then be deemed a " franchise d man "

[Da_Chief]

All I remember is BigTuna saying the Leafs are way ahead of the Flames during last off-season.

All I did then was laugh at him back and I'm still laughing.

Toronto is no good, Leafs fans are no good.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Its just because he is below Josi and Weber on the depth chart in nashville. If he was on the flames, i can guarantee you that he would be deemed a " franchise d man ". Take weber and josi out of nashville, he would then be deemed a " franchise d man "

Jones on Calgary would be a #3.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Or put it this way. Brodie is considered a huge building block to flames fans and management. Arguably even a franchise d man. I would trade brodie straight up for seth jones 10 times out of 10 times. Whats that implying about jones??

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Jones on Calgary would be a #3.

So chiarot playing with big buff on the 1st pairing in winnipeg makes him #2? Common man

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Jones on Calgary would be a #3.

Right now, yes. He's 20 years old

[neo45]

Phaneuf is overrated because he has a C on his jersey and has like $100 million in projected career earnings

Kessell isn't overrated. Just not the type of player you win cups with if he is taking up 8 million of your cap

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

In what world is Phaneuf and Kessel overrated? All they get is crap for being terrible.

Seriously, who's complimenting them?

Yeah, seriously, who's complimenting them?

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Kessel is going nowhere without at least a first rounder and top prospect. He's in his prime, completely healthy, can score playing with anyone, and is a top offensive star.

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Kessel could be traded tomorrow and get the Leafs a great return.

You can name every negative you want to try to spin it like he has begative value, but many GMs would love to have a guy who puts up those stats every year. There are very few of them in the NHL. I think david Poile for onem, would love to have him.

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Please tell me what Phil Kessel is worth? If he's millions overpaid, is he worth 3-4 million?

Top 5 in NHL points the past 4 seasons and you think he's not worth 8 million?

They could trade him tomorrow no problem.

On Phaneuf being a top 30 dman in the NHL:

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Yet all the stats says he is.

You may take Fowler and Lindholm over him, but that doesn't make them better.

Anaheim's big weakness despite the record is they do not have a #1 D-Man.

*Maybe* top 60. LOL.

Implying that it was all Carlyle's fault:

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Yet a new coach comes in and simply changes the "System" and in the first 2 games the main issues are gone.

More blaming Carlyle cause it certainly couldn't be the golden boys Kessel and Phaneuf at fault:

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I said all along Carlyle was a huge problem. This idea it was Kessel and Phaneuf was silly.

Carlyle wasn't the only problem, but he was the biggest. What a joke of a "System" he implemented.

On Kessel:

Originally Posted by BigTuna

LOL. A "1B" winger? Have you seen this guy's stats? He's one of the elite wingers in the game.

"Leadership" is overrated. You can absolutely win with Kessel as a core piece because he's a great playoff performer.

To recap:

Kessel is an elite talent.
Phaneuf is a top 30 defenseman in the league and by virtue a #1 (or #2 at worst) dman.

Also (although I didn't quote it):
-the Leafs have elite prospects
-the Leafs are superior to the Flames
-the Leafs will finish top 4 in the West
-the Leafs have better forwards than Montreal
...and probably so much more I've missed.

This thread is funny and Toronto is no good.

[Enoch Root]

I can't wait until Kessel is traded and BigTuna is on here attempting to argue that whatever defenseman they got in the trade is actually better than Jones and was their target all along. Should be fun.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I can't remember what it was? I think I called Mike Peca the best defensive centre in the NHL in his prime, no?

It was outrage at the suggestion that Doan is at least as good, if not better, than Peca.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by neo45

Phaneuf is overrated because he has a C on his jersey and has like $100 million in projected career earnings

Kessell isn't overrated. Just not the type of player you win cups with if he is taking up 8 million of your cap

Or if, during the playoffs, he goes into one of his notorious slumps. Or if he creates a distraction with one of his stupid responses to the media as to whether he's uncoachable or out of shape. Or if he continues to be useless south of the opposition blueline. Or or or...

Trading S. Jones for Kessel would be asinine. Won't happen.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

So a few fans saying that means more than the thousands more saying that he's terrible. The media thinks he's horrific.

And Yes, he is worth Seth Jones. Kessel can help Nashville win a cup.

Am I seeing the bold part correctly or I need a new pair of glasses. Nashville might very well win a cup down the road, but it will definitely not because of adding Kessel.

One question, what has Kessel done for the Leafs other than padding his own stats?

Oh another thing, Laviolett will eat Kessel alive if he plays for Nashville

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Kessel can help Nashville win a cup.

Maybe a Sprint Cup, he's looking just as fat as Tony Stewart these days.