[Trade] E.Kane, Bogosian, Kasdorf to Buffalo for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and 1st

[dammage79]

Interested to see if this trade sets the bar for other trades heading into the deadline. Or do we tuck this away in a vacuum?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I dunno. I get he's the highest pick. But Fleury, MacInnis, Suter and Newy might ask you to look at their records.

Fleury just might have been the most offensively talented player in the game at his peak.

none of those guys were as highly regarded as Bennett. Bennett is the best prospect this team has drafted.

Fleury was never the most offensively talented player in the league. NEVER. When Fleury was having his big year in 1990-91 there was this guy named Gretzky, still in his prime. When Fleury was having his last big year in 1995-96, there was this guy in Pittsburgh named Lemieux who was ripping the NHL a new one. He also had this kid on his wing by the name of Jagr who was doing pretty well in his own right. Fleury was a good player, but there were plenty of more skilled and successful players in the NHL each year.

I think it's kind of cool to see the current team coming together and there being some parallels between the '89 champs. I hope this team finds similar success in the near term and greater success in the long term.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure, I guess, if you want to measure it that way. I think a prospect is as elite as they actually play. People who watched him knew Fleury had elite level skills but just no size at all.

On the "central scouting rank = elite" theory, almost everyone in their year was more an elite prospect than Johnny Gaudreau or Theo Fleury

Again I am not saying he will be a better player but he is higher ranked prospect than any of those guys were when they were prospects. 4th overall pick Vs. 8th rounder

[wingmaker]

I think it's pretty clear that Winnipeg does not think Meyers for Bogosian is a wash, otherwise why not keep the defensemen out of the deal and just ship out Kane for Stafford and prospects, picks? It will be interesting to follow the players in this trade moving forward.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

I think it's pretty clear that Winnipeg does not think Meyers for Bogosian is a wash, otherwise why not keep the defensemen out of the deal and just ship out Kane for Stafford and prospects, picks? It will be interesting to follow the players in this trade moving forward.

what they think and the reality remains to be seen

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Wow,

So now, just to be clear, we're crying because WPG would want and asked for Bennett? Wpg would have been asking for the top prospect from any team, that is proper asset management. Doesn't mean they get it.

Reality of the flames giving him up - not likely. And that is good in my opinion.
But based solely on the fact that we don't have Kane today - not life/death IMO.

That pretty clearly shows that Sven ++ (backs or GlenX or kid plus pick) wasn't of interest, can all but guarantee Burke and trev would have been happy to do it if so.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by dino7c

what they think and the reality remains to be seen

True, which is what makes this such an interesting trade. The pieces involved are all so young that we will not know how this turns out for several years.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

I think it's pretty clear that Winnipeg does not think Meyers for Bogosian is a wash, otherwise why not keep the defensemen out of the deal and just ship out Kane for Stafford and prospects, picks? It will be interesting to follow the players in this trade moving forward.

Oh don't bring common sense in here.

Bog = Meyers, eat and accept it

[bubbsy]

Apologies if this has already been posted....

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Not surprised to see Brendan Lemieux involved in Kane/Myers blockbuster. His agent (Claude) told the Sabres Brendan wasn't signing in BUF.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

That pretty clearly shows that Sven ++ (backs or GlenX or kid plus pick) wasn't of interest, can all but guarantee Burke and trev would have been happy to do it if so.

No, it doesn't show that at all. We have no idea if that trade proposal was even made so the fact that it didn't happen has no relevance whatsoever on some made up proposal. Furthermore, I am not convinced the Flames would even make that deal and if they did it would have had to happen in the offseason, as that trade would deal a serious blow to the Flames' playoff chances since Kane is done for the season.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Wow,

So now, just to be clear, we're crying because WPG would want and asked for Bennett? Wpg would have been asking for the top prospect from any team, that is proper asset management. Doesn't mean they get it.

Reality of the flames giving him up - not likely. And that is good in my opinion.
But based solely on the fact that we don't have Kane today - not life/death IMO.

That pretty clearly shows that Sven ++ (backs or GlenX or kid plus pick) wasn't of interest, can all but guarantee Burke and trev would have been happy to do it if so.

There's no "crying" about anything. Bob speculated about what the Jets would want from the Flames for Kane, debate ensued.

Now Kane has actually been traded and people are comparing the package for Kane to Bennett. Debate ensues as some believe this package would be fair (or over) value for Bennett, while most others disagree.

I fail to see crying about anything.

[Burke Salad]

Daddy is Lemieux's agent - that won't bode well for his kid.

[White Out 403]

Brendan lemiuex is the highest goal scorer per game in the OHL with 35 goals in 46 games. That's exciting as a Jets fan

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And the Sabres didn't give up an 18-year-old centre with game breaking potential, so what's your point?

The Sabres didn't give up anything that approaches Bennett's value. That pretty much makes a mockery of your assertion that this deal shows we would have had to give up ""Bennett ++++" when the real deal was an underwhelming and regressing defenceman ++++.

The point is, the deal would have looked 29 different ways based on the 29 trade partners they would potentially have?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Interested to see if this trade sets the bar for other trades heading into the deadline. Or do we tuck this away in a vacuum?

Could be an interesting trade deadline with so many teams out of the race.

On the East Division most of the teams except the Panthers are virtually out of it.

Only the West Oilers and the Coyotes are eliminated.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Wow,

So now, just to be clear, we're crying because WPG would want and asked for Bennett? Wpg would have been asking for the top prospect from any team, that is proper asset management. Doesn't mean they get it.

No, to be clear, I am asking you to justify the crap that constantly streams from your keyboard.

Specifically, I am waiting on you to justify this claim:

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Pretty clear to say that the flames would have needed to give up Bennett ++++ to be in this.

So once again, given the Sabres gave up nothing that approaches Bennett's value, please explain how it is "pretty clear to say" that we would have had to give up "Bennett ++++" if we wanted Kane.

[ComixZone]

Great, great deal for the Jets.

Myers has as good a shot at being the best player in this trade as Kane does. They also landed Armia, Lemiuex, a 1st and Stafford? The Jets improved their roster today, and tomorrow.

Can't say it looks like a bad deal for the Sabres, but it does look like a good deal for the jets.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by New Era

none of those guys were as highly regarded as Bennett. Bennett is the best prospect this team has drafted.

Fleury was never the most offensively talented player in the league. NEVER. When Fleury was having his big year in 1990-91 there was this guy named Gretzky, still in his prime. When Fleury was having his last big year in 1995-96, there was this guy in Pittsburgh named Lemieux who was ripping the NHL a new one. He also had this kid on his wing by the name of Jagr who was doing pretty well in his own right. Fleury was a good player, but there were plenty of more skilled and successful players in the NHL each year.

I think it's kind of cool to see the current team coming together and there being some parallels between the '89 champs. I hope this team finds similar success in the near term and greater success in the long term.

I give you Mario when he was healthy - but I'm talking talent, not successfully applied talent. Gretzky was never the most talented guy - just the best player (people always said , for example, that Nilsson was more talented). And I think Gretzky was behind Fleury by 1996. And in late 90s I thought for various stretches he was better than anyone else, talent wise.

Anyway, thread hijack, and it doesn't change that I thought Fleury was an elite prospect just like Gaudreau was, despite the late pick and ranking.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, to be clear, I am asking you to justify the crap that constantly streams from your keyboard.

Specifically, I am waiting on you to justify this claim:



So once again, given the Sabres gave up nothing that approaches Bennett's value, please explain how it is "pretty clear to say" that we would have had to give up "Bennett ++++" if we wanted Kane.

My claim is/was that the flames weren't getting Kane for less than Bennett++ in response to claims that Sven ++++ would get it done. Which if it were Sven++++ the flames likely would have done unconditionally.

Us not having Kane, likely means we weren't willing to give up Bennett+.

[flames_fan_down_under]

That is quite the trade. Seems like both teams walk away with some pretty good players.

Winnipeg gets the prospects and a first rounder which remains to be seen how good those players are in the NHL, however they do seem like good young players at this point, and Winnipeg has done good job at player development. I give the edge to the Jets but Buffalo has a slew of good young talent and potentially Connor McDavid/Eichel coming to them as well, their future looks good, but we all know that young prospects isn't everything re. Oilers.