Should the Flames trade up or trade down once they get healthy?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Reminds me of the Mike Leclerc trade. I hated it. I figured he'd suck but I never thought he'd be as bad as he turned out to be.

Same thing here. You nailed it.

Jeff Friesen was my first thought - you didn't expect much, there was a faint cry of "former 30 goal scorer" but wow did he suck.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

To me, I see no point in keeping Matt Stajan. I know some people think he is some valuable piece but watching him in a Flames uniform for the last 5+ seasons nobody can convince me of that. It has been nice not seeing him kill the offense on any line lately.

Before anybody tries to say that he "shelters" our other centers, know that this year he has faced the weakest competition among Backlund, Monahan, Colbourne and Byron.

The four year extension he was given by Burke last year was a mistake (as many of us instantly knew), even moreso if Bennett is able to make the team next year.

Not sure if anyone would want to take on his contract at $3.175 over the next 4 years. I just know I don't want to watch him in a Flames uniform till 2018. Sad that he is our player with the longest contract other than the extension that TJ Brodie just signed.

I don't hate Stajan but I agree with you. I was wondering the same thing on why the Flames signed him for extension. I thought he will be traded before the trade deadline last season. I just can't figure his role with the Flames. He is not a first line or second line centre. i don't even consider him as a 3rd line centre and he is way too expensive as the 4th line centre. Anyways we are stuck with him so I guess we just hope that he can help out the team.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by waner

Things haven't really changed since start of season. Jooris looks like a bottom 6 guy but you expected that one of the young guys would turn into that. Gaudreau looks to be top 6 but I think they expected either he or Baertschi would be that.

I would say you have 3 groups to move:

If you get anything for them trade them:

Smid, Wideman, Diaz, Setoguchi, McGrattan, Jones, Ramo, Byron

If you get decent offer good-bye:

Glencross, Stajan, Hudler, Russell, Hiller, Raymond, Engelland, Backlund, all AHL guys/call-ups

Keep as core:

Monahan, Gaudreau, Colborne, Brodie, Gio, Bennett

Why not trade the whole team since you mentioned pretty much single players in the team to trade? You know this is not the NHL 2014 or whatever they have on XBox or Playstation games, right?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I don't hate Stajan but I agree with you. I was wondering the same thing on why the Flames signed him for extension. I thought he will be traded before the trade deadline last season. I just can't figure his role with the Flames. He is not a first line or second line centre. i don't even consider him as a 3rd line centre and he is way too expensive as the 4th line centre. Anyways we are stuck with him so I guess we just hope that he can help out the team.

The "shelter." The Oilers can't shelter Draisaitl. The Flames shelter Monahan by having Matt Stajan for defensive zone starts. And just take a shift to go be Matt Stajan, work for some pucks, make some scrappy plays, take a huge hit, your rookies go "woah that guy is going to get himself killed but that is how hard i have to work to make it."

[waner]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Why not trade the whole team since you mentioned pretty much single players in the team to trade? You know this is not the NHL 2014 or whatever they have on XBox or Playstation games, right?

I wouldn't move every guy that is listed, I just put them into categories on how what type of return that we should be looking at. The market will dictate we can't move everyone even if we wanted to and the salary cap floor would as well. As nice as the start has been there is still a lot of deadwood on this team, especially looking forward at who will be a contributor when the team is ready to contend. Most of the team should be available if others want them

I would say everyone from first category could go and likely 2-3 from second group. That would be moving 10 guys which is unlikely but since most of the guys listed in the first group nobody would want for free I would say a realistic number of guys I would like to see moved is 5 likely something like:

Smid, Wideman, Glencross/Hudler, Raymond, Setoguchi by the trade deadline.

The names listed above are based on expected return not just guys I would can as I think Raymond better to keep than others but might be able to get back a decent return.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by waner

I would say a realistic number of guys I would like to see moved is 5 likely something like:

Smid, Wideman, Glencross/Hudler, Raymond, Setoguchi by the trade deadline.

That would leave a massive hole in our roster.

Patience.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe trade Agostino and Hanowski for a veteran scoring winger. Might have to throw in a pick.

Originally Posted by Demaeon

I think we should be keeping our picks at this point. Maybe add Klimchuk instead?

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I think he got the joke, since it was Klimchuk that was selected with the Penguins pick... he answered a sarcastic post, with a sarcastic reply. My opinion anyways.

[Jacks]

Ya you could be right, in which case I 'whooshed' myself

[SeanCharles]

Gaudreau-Monahan-Colbourne
Granlund-Backlund-Hudler
Raymond-Stajan-Jones
Bouma-Jooris-Byron
Bollig/McGrattan

[dying4acup]

If the kings are seriously in need of moving Richards salary for flexibility (re-signing RFAs) going forward, I wonder if they would consider Richards and Voynov, FOR Stajan (or Jones), and Wideman?

In the short-term it's a virtual wash for Salary, but in the long term the Flames are taking a huge liability off their hands.

[Diemenz]

Only on CP do posters make fun of the oilers management and then post ideas that are exactly what oilers management has done the last four years.

[PlayfulGenius]

if any trades are going to be made, I hope the Flames use players to upgrade their 2015 draft position ... like a player and a 4th for a 2nd... that type of deal.

[Tinordi]

I can't freaking believe there's be a days long conversation on this board on whether to trade for Mike Richards. My goodness, that guy is done and that idea is terrible.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by waner

I would say everyone from first category could go and likely 2-3 from second group. That would be moving 10 guys which is unlikely but since most of the guys listed in the first group nobody would want for free I would say a realistic number of guys I would like to see moved is 5 likely something like:

Smid, Wideman, Glencross/Hudler, Raymond, Setoguchi by the trade deadline.

So ... you think moving 5 active players on our roster, during the season, before the trade deadline is realistic? How long have you been a hockey fan?

Here were the players we traded away last year.

Berra
Stempniak
Nemisz
Jackman
Horak

Of those, only Jackman and Stempniak were roster players getting traded in-season and Stempniak was a deadline day move.

Thinking about trades is fun, but there is no way the Flames are going to find trading partners to move five players, of whom ... I would say Hudler is the only one who would garner serious interest from other teams and three of whom have NTC's in their contracts: Raymond, Glencross, and Wideman.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

If the kings are seriously in need of moving Richards salary for flexibility (re-signing RFAs) going forward, I wonder if they would consider Richards and Voynov, FOR Stajan (or Jones), and Wideman?

In the short-term it's a virtual wash for Salary, but in the long term the Flames are taking a huge liability off their hands.

They need money for those kids this summer that deal does virtually nothing for them except downgrade their roster

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Locke

100% this.

I've said it in other threads, this season is pure gravy and theres no sense in making some moves because they've got to keep their eye on the long-game.

I have no issue with Treliving making moves to improve the team, especially if he keeps his eye focused mainly on longterm & future goals.

Using pieces which are surplus to requirements here to acquire good young talent, I think he could improve the team short and longterm now.

[The Hendog]

Originally Posted by saillias

The "shelter." The Oilers can't shelter Draisaitl. The Flames shelter Monahan by having Matt Stajan for defensive zone starts. And just take a shift to go be Matt Stajan, work for some pucks, make some scrappy plays, take a huge hit, your rookies go "woah that guy is going to get himself killed but that is how hard i have to work to make it."

Nailed it!

Plus I am happy with Stajan mentoring Monahan & Bennett - he seems like he would be good at it for all sorts of reasons including the one you pointed out.

I remember watching an interview with Monahan last season, wish I could find it online, but essentially the question was who has taught you the most since you joined the pros and his answer was Stajan. Monahan then got into the details about how Stajan was really helping him work on getting better at faceoffs and defensive positioning and just creating a better overall game in the NHL and guess what it is paying off.

Now Stajan probably doesn't deserve all the credit but if Monahan thinks Stajan is making him a better player and he can do the same with Bennett = keep him.

[badger89]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Gaudreau-Monahan-Colbourne
Granlund-Backlund-Hudler
Raymond-Stajan-Jones
Bouma-Jooris-Byron
Bollig/McGrattan

That lineup looks good. Hope they move Glencross and waive Setoguchi to make it happen.

[waner]

Originally Posted by driveway

So ... you think moving 5 active players on our roster, during the season, before the trade deadline is realistic? How long have you been a hockey fan?

Here were the players we traded away last year.

Berra
Stempniak
Nemisz
Jackman
Horak

Of those, only Jackman and Stempniak were roster players getting traded in-season and Stempniak was a deadline day move.

Thinking about trades is fun, but there is no way the Flames are going to find trading partners to move five players, of whom ... I would say Hudler is the only one who would garner serious interest from other teams and three of whom have NTC's in their contracts: Raymond, Glencross, and Wideman.

Glencross would garner more interest than Hudler as he is a better player with less money and less term.

Sure some have NTCs but no play-offs and another year or two of rebuilding could easily influence them to waive, guys with no trade clauses get moved all the time.

Defencemen are at a premium so finding homes for Snid and Wideman should be possible. I also wouldn't want anything but late picks back for them. Raymond is on a cheap deal and the type of guys contenders add all the time. Hudler and Glencross should have multiple suitors and Setoguchi I would just waive/release so no need to find a place for him.

The Flames have more bodies than spots and this is s good year to move excess vets out and try to start shaping the roster for next year. You are right though GMs tend to be s conservative group and hold on to guys way longer than need be so we probably see one move and a continued log jam of mediocre players on the roster.