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Resolute 14 · 11-05-2014, 08:37 AM

One thing that is noticeable about Setoguchi is that, after a few pedestrian games, it seems he has realized his job is seriously on the line and is playing with a greater level of desperation over the last three games or so than he had previously. But it probably isn't enough to keep him around once bodies get healthy, imo.

Sven is in the exact same boat right now. He needs to show that desperation, and he needs to make things happen. Because right now, it's either Setoguchi or Baertschi going down when Ferland is declared fit to play. And at this moment, I'd keep the vet. Sven needs a great deal more urgency in his game, because even if he manages to keep his roster spot ahead of Setoguchi, both are behind Jooris and Granlund, and there simply won't be a place for them when bodies start to get healthy.

Lanny'sDaMan · 11-05-2014, 08:44 AM

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I have zero problems with McGrattan if he only gets 20 games a year and is in the dressing room full time. He is obviously very popular in that room.

I am very serious when I say that Grats should have a position with the team off the ice, and behind the bench. I have no idea what position they could create for him, but he is so good in that room and such a powerful mentor to the young guys. I firmly believe Grats is one of the reasons for the maturity level of the rookies.

-TC- · 11-05-2014, 08:50 AM

I think the Sven Experiment is coming to a close...he's well on his way to playing out his career in the A or in Europe.

I don't know what the issue is, but the kid isn't there, and is giving no sense that he's going to get there.

IMHO.

justafan · 11-05-2014, 08:54 AM

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I remember that game where Z Parise called Brodie a minor league player "trying to make a name for himself." Didn't even use Brodie's name.

Ashasx · 11-05-2014, 08:57 AM

Many people may not be happy with Baertschi's play, but that doesn't mean you give up at the age of 22.

Jooris is two and a half years older and nobody thought he'd be an NHLer at this time last year.

As frustrating as this is for everybody involved, there is still potential for a good NHLer in Baertschi.

dustyanddaflames · 11-05-2014, 09:09 AM

It has only been two games so far, and to be fair to Sven, it is gonna take a little time to get up to game speed in the NHL. It might come in the next few games for him, and I hope it does, as I am sure the transition from the AHL to the NHL is greater than it shows on TV.

The only thing concerning to me, as someone previously mentioned, is the apparent lack of desperation in his game. Maybe I am watching his game too closely, but he just doesn't play with that edge, and when you are not scoring, it seems like it'd be pretty important to bring at least that to the table. Blocked shots, hits, takeaways, clears out of your own zone - things that don't show up in a boxscore, but are very crucial to keeping your ice time above 0. I just don't see it right now, however, I personally hope he gets 10 games this stint to adjust to show what he has developed into thus far. Because really, what is the rush? If he's not ready, send him back after 10 to continue to develop, and if after 10 games he is starting to show signs of coming around, fantastic. Either way, he's too young to write off, yet old enough he should be starting to make his mark on an NHL roster.

edslunch · 11-05-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Many people may not be happy with Baertschi's play, but that doesn't mean you give up at the age of 22.

Jooris is two and a half years older and nobody thought he'd be an NHLer at this time last year.

As frustrating as this is for everybody involved, there is still potential for a good NHLer in Baertschi.

I agree, with his talent there's no reason he can't succeed. I'm starting to believe though it would be best for him to have a change of scenery.

BigFlameDog · 11-05-2014, 09:19 AM

I totally agree that you don't give up on the kid....I think he will follow a similar path as Backlund but with more offense.

But he can't lightly knock at the door....he needs to kick it down and then chainsaw that sucker.

It doesn't matter who is to blame or what has happened to date...that is the way he needs to approach it.

BigFlameDog · 11-05-2014, 09:20 AM

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nik- · 11-05-2014, 09:53 AM

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I remember that game where Z Parise called Brodie a minor league player "trying to make a name for himself." Didn't even use Brodie's name.

It's funny, because is anyone other than fans of the teams he played for going to remember Zach Parise within two years of his retirement?

He's 30 now and he's put up good points, but it's a pretty vanilla career.

codynw · 11-05-2014, 09:55 AM

This is the only memorable thing Parise has ever done.

Spoiler!

herashak · 11-05-2014, 09:56 AM

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It's funny, because is anyone other than fans of the teams he played for going to remember Zach Parise within two years of his retirement?

He's 30 now and he's put up good points, but it's a pretty vanilla career.

I don't know parise had a pretty good career

nik- · 11-05-2014, 09:58 AM

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I don't know parise had a pretty good career

Points wise.

SuperMatt18 · 11-05-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Many people may not be happy with Baertschi's play, but that doesn't mean you give up at the age of 22.

Jooris is two and a half years older and nobody thought he'd be an NHLer at this time last year.

As frustrating as this is for everybody involved, there is still potential for a good NHLer in Baertschi.

Agree 100%, way too early to give up on him.

He still has the talent and the potential, just hasn't put it together yet.

Trading him now would probably be short sighted (unless you get a similar prospect in return) since his value is at an all time low. You have to hope that he can work through his game in Abbotsford now and develop into an NHLer.

JJ1532 · 11-05-2014, 10:14 AM

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I don't know parise had a pretty good career

Has he? Whats he won thats worth winning? Never won a cup or even a major NHL honour. Nor has he won any major national team honour. Got a lot of points, but not a lot else.

slybomb · 11-05-2014, 10:39 AM

I haven't been able to find a good replay of the Ovie hit on Glencross but when I was watching last night I thought that if Glencross made the same hit on Ovie, it could have been suspension worthy. Looked like a blatant head shot and Glencross was in a vulnerable position. Anyone else feel that way? Or am I out to lunch on this one?

heep223 · 11-05-2014, 10:44 AM

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I haven't been able to find a good replay of the Ovie hit on Glencross but when I was watching last night I thought that if Glencross made the same hit on Ovie, it could have been suspension worthy. Looked like a blatant head shot and Glencross was in a vulnerable position. Anyone else feel that way? Or am I out to lunch on this one?

You're not out to lunch. Bob Hartley agreed with you (if I can trust my lip reading abilities). It definitely wasn't a brutal hit but could have been called a headshot. I think the correct call would have been 2 mins hit to the head, with no suspension. Assuming league will look at all hits like this but doubt he gets a call.

slybomb · 11-05-2014, 10:59 AM

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You're not out to lunch. Bob Hartley agreed with you (if I can trust my lip reading abilities). It definitely wasn't a brutal hit but could have been called a headshot. I think the correct call would have been 2 mins hit to the head, with no suspension. Assuming league will look at all hits like this but doubt he gets a call.

Yeah, I could agree with a 2 min penalty for illegal check to the head. It was not vicious but was still a head shot. It was just a pivotal point in the game and we end up having to kill a penalty instead...slightly frustrating.

Resolute 14 · 11-05-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by -TC-

I think the Sven Experiment is coming to a close...he's well on his way to playing out his career in the A or in Europe.

I don't know what the issue is, but the kid isn't there, and is giving no sense that he's going to get there.

IMHO.

Dude, he's 22. He is nowhere close to being relegated to the AHL (permanently) or Europe.

However, the number of prospects we have passing him suggests he could become trade bait. But only if Treliving feels such a move improves our team long term.

sa226 · 11-05-2014, 11:09 AM

On the other hand, last night was a good reminder of what it takes to be an consistent NHLer for Gaudreau. Washington is a big, well coached and structured team. I know he had the flu and all that. It is a fine line between being a magician with the puck but still making the right play as an NHLer.

That OT giveaway was a great example. Two guys bearing down on him, he peels back like he always does and loses the puck. Scoring chance goes the other way. That puck should have been deep.

I'm not worried about him at all, if anything he has shown that he has a superhuman ability to learn and adapt at a breakneck pace. His ability to make a difference in tighter games like this as well as wide open games like against MTL will be very important.