[PGT] Flames 4 - Caps 3 ... point barons!

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, I'm biased, and I'm sure somebody will respond to my post telling me I was wrong, but I thought Sven had a really good 1st period and was creating some energy. His line had a scoring chance early and another in the 2nd. There were no scoring chances against until Hiller made the mistake on the 2nd goal. Not a single scoring chance against until that point.

Only got 2 shifts after that. I just don't think that's justified.

I think you want Sven to succeed so much that your mind is telling you lies. Sven wasn't creating anything in the past two games. He needs to go back to the AHL and mature as a player. Granlund, Jooris and Ferland deserves to be on the big club more than Sven does right now.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by sa226

Sven is not hurting the team at all, so that's a good sign.

But he has had no "jump" whatsoever in his game. The guy with the flu had more jump. Look at Jooris, Look at Granlund. There is no reason he can't be doing the exact same thing. A young player's job is to inject energy into the line-up. He hasn't done that at all.

If I had to guess I would say that he is absolutely terrified to make a mistake. The tentativeness is very apparent. He just needs to look at the other young guys who are making mistakes and realize its not a death sentence. He has improved his 200ft game a lot since last year, he just needs to trust his instincts and go out and play.

Way too tentative.

Well said.

I mentioned earlier he needs to find a way to get noticed and not for all the wrong reasons.

There are plenty of ways to get noticed in a positive way other than scoring... He could go hit somebody, muck it up a bit after the whistle, back check hard (like Jooris and Gaudreau), make a great defensive play etc. Right now he isn't doing any of that whatsoever, and you cannot fault his line mates for that.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ferland's also tough to guess. I was hoping it was a mild concussion. Aside from that, I agree with you.

He and Backlund are really unknown. Concussion and abdominal strains are tough to gauge.

[Dion]

[Wolfman]

Someone please post Monahan interview after the game...kinda funny.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's not the Flames responsibility to get Sven to play well. They give him all the tools, it's his choice to show up and work. Sven just isn't putting in the proper effort, he's trying to think his way to success and he's not working. That's not on the Flames, it's not their responsibility to boost his confidence and make him feel good about himself. He has the chance to be a millionaire playing a sport, if he can't seize the chance he's not cut out for it.

I don't know how you can see he's not putting in the effort.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Fire

I think you want Sven to succeed so much that your mind is telling you lies. Sven wasn't creating anything in the past two games. He needs to go back to the AHL and mature as a player. Granlund, Jooris and Ferland deserves to be on the big club more than Sven does right now.

His line literally had 2 scoring chances, so I don't think I'm lying to myself.

[jg13]

[The_Future]

A game like this makes me smile at the thought of getting Raymond, Backlund, Colborne, and Bennett back sooner than later.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't know how you can see he's not putting in the effort.

Well, if this is the on ice result with him putting in effort, then he's just not good enough.

[BigRed]

Maybe sven's just not that good.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by sa226

Regarding the team's development choices, I'm not sure what else they could do. He had a good camp, but didn't make the opening night roster. He is now here based on that good camp. He has improved his game, but like you say has completely lost his swagger.

I think it really is up to him.

Baertschi isn't blameless. Hartley is obviously looking for something and Baertschi has failed to show it to him so far. Until he does he won't get more opportunities. And like I said in my first post, it's tough to be too tough on Hartley given his success with other players.

But I think it is fair to question if the Flames have put him in a position where he will be able to show him those things.

Like someone said above, I don't get the feeling that Baertschi has the support of the coach in the same way other prospects have.

[JATOSS]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Someone please post Monahan interview after the game...kinda funny.

I thought one of the reporters was just being inconsiderate with his oversized mic, but then it was just big ern being big ern hahaha

Great game by the Flams and great finish by moneyhands, 3 in a row boys!

[getbak]

Hartley shortened the bench in the third and gave Baertschi's ice time to Bouma. Bollig also hardly played in the second half of the game.

If the game had been more out of reach (either way), Sven likely would have seen more ice. On Sunday, he had over 5 minutes in the third.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by Split98

He comes over the blue line and drops it back and I'm thinking "Money, you dummy"

But then there's Jooris, who Jooris' it up and jukes the D over to Money.

Love this team.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

Crazy! Please, everyone call me an idiot for changing the channel to the Hunger games. I deserve to get roasted.

You're an Idiot.

Originally Posted by several posters

Hiller deserved a star

I am going to get flamed for this, but I thought Hiller had a weak game. Even that great save with under a second left had me thinking wow that guy needs to lift that puck.
Earlier poster who called him both the goat and savior was spot on. Everyone has off games, glad we came back.
Ramo should get the next start.

Caps are stifling to watch with the lead. Glad we don't play them again this season (outside the playoffs which would be just fine )

[tripin_billie]

Had a blast watching the boys win. Love going to watch a Flames team that never quits!

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by wolfman

someone please post monahan interview after the game...kinda funny.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's not the Flames responsibility to get Sven to play well.

Not to pick on this and I'm sure I'll be flamed for this, but it's a 50-50 split between the player and the team. By that logic, then the only people responsible for the mess up in Edmonton is their young guns.

Has Sven's progress been a disappointment over the past year. It sure has. But successful teams find a way to get the most out of their assets. If the Flames and Sven can find the balance to get this kid's career back on track they are far better off than writing him off right now and calling it over. Sven's NHL stats show that he can play, I'm sure everyone including Sven is probably frustrated that it's not coming together as quickly as everyone wants.

As much as people want to call this kids time over in Calgary the benefit is that the organization has time to turn his career around. IMO it's somewhat of a benefit that kids like Monahan, Gadureau and Granland are playing so well as it gives the organization some buffer room to find the solution to get this kid back on track.

[GioforPM]

Sven finished with a -1, 1 shot, no hits, no blocks, no anything else.

Setoguchi had 5 hits (most on the team), 1 shot, 1 block. Byron had 3 shots, 3 hits, 1 block. I'd say this is why they got some more ice.