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Old 11-01-2014, 11:55 AM   #21
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I thought it was more of an accident at first, then when watching it in slow motion there is no doubt it was intentional. He totally rotated his body to nail him with his forearm.

Given that he is a repeat offender I'd say he deserves three games or higher.

The mentioned Ferland had a suspected concussion but it looks like it could be neck related too. Hopefully he heals fully.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:01 PM   #22
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Might not be intentional but it was very careless and dangerous. Make him sit a few games.
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Yeah, it's the torso rotate and follow-through with the elbow that does it for me. He could have simply dropped his elbow and blocked Ferland out, and would have been a very solid hit.

Definitely suspendable. Hopefully the league agrees and sits him for a few games.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:11 PM   #24
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Might not be intentional but it was very careless and dangerous. Make him sit a few games.
Totally agree
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:15 PM   #25
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Might not be intentional but it was very careless and dangerous. Make him sit a few games.
Yeah, pretty much. You've got to give him something especially as he went unpunished in the game.

At least the Flames took the win, if they'd lost Ferland and the game and Volchenkov went unpunished people would go apoplectic.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:24 PM   #26
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I see that. First off, a stick check is usually followed by a hit to finish the play, so I'm not sure "two plays" is relevant to anything. The reason he hours him in the head is Ferland is crouched down with his head below Volchenkov's shoulder. The intent was to finish a check.

It is Volchenkov's responsibility to avoid head contact, if that there is no doubt. There's no intent though
I think two plays is relevant. Ferland made the stick check and then wasn't following through - in fact he basically stopped and was turning in the other direction. The follow through with the arms by AV was unnecessary. He could have finished the check without throwing his elbows and arms at Ferland's head. Second - intent is impossible to measure. I wouldn't make an absolute statement about it.It may or may not have been intentional but that's just a matter of opinion.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:42 PM   #27
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Any word on how Ferland is?
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It is beyond comprehension why the Calgary Flames are succumbed to hits. Conspicuously, Volchenkov's deserves to be penalized for his actions. More importantly though was the kneeing on Matt Stajan; the injuries to Joe Colborne, and Mikael Backlund. Injuring someone at the expense of getting two points is beyond human cognition.

Accordingly, aggressive plays should be abolished by the NHL. No body has a right to injure their opponents. Yes, blocking shots, playing with expertise, puck control, winning face offs is sportsmanship. The way Johnny Gaudreau performed last night meets these expectations.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:49 PM   #29
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Hartley said today upper body. Will either update again later today or more likely Sunday.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:53 PM   #30
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Didn't think it was malicious and would be fine with one game.

Edit: Just saw Flash Walken's post and in slow motion it does look pretty bad and intentional.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:55 PM   #31
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Are you guys watching the same replay that I am?
Nope. Intil I saw that gif, I was going off what I saw at the Dome last night.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:57 PM   #32
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Nope. Intil I saw that gif, I was going off what I saw at the Dome last night.
I wasn't at the dome but busy giving kids candy and watching the game at the same time. The initial play did not seem that bad but after watching that replay it makes it more clear. Hard to fault the refs for the non-call.
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Pay attention to Volchenkov's feet in the two hits.

In the hit on Marchand, he ends up with both skates off the ice, as he's exploding up towards the head.

In the hit on Ferland, they're coming out behind him, as he's driving through the hit. IMO, he's tucked the elbow and is trying to drive through a guy without any malicious intent. However, he was careless and ended up hitting Ferland right in head with his forearm, putting him out for the game. Regardless of intent, the result deserves a hearing.
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Accordingly, aggressive plays should be abolished by the NHL. No body has a right to injure their opponents. Yes, blocking shots, playing with expertise, puck control, winning face offs is sportsmanship. The way Johnny Gaudreau performed last night meets these expectations.
Thank god you're not the commissioner.
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Don't forget, ferland had a great hit on Volchenkov earlier in the game. Maybe he was looking for a little revenge?
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Ferland was giving Volchenkov all kinds of trouble in the 1st period. I'm not sure he was anticipating anyone bringing that kind of physicality from the Flames.

I don't think it was malicious but I think he should be suspended.

Hope Ferland isn't out long. I loved his game.
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:18 PM   #37
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Pay attention to Volchenkov's feet in the two hits.

In the hit on Marchand, he ends up with both skates off the ice, as he's exploding up towards the head.

In the hit on Ferland, they're coming out behind him, as he's driving through the hit. IMO, he's tucked the elbow and is trying to drive through a guy without any malicious intent. However, he was careless and ended up hitting Ferland right in head with his forearm, putting him out for the game. Regardless of intent, the result deserves a hearing.
Disagree on tucking the elbow.

Watch the gif again and focus on his arm. Before making contact with Ferland's head, his elbow is already gone past 90 degrees and is pointing forward. It then recoils back a bit from the contact, but at the moment before contact you can see it is out and forward.

The guys that have been talking about his pivot have gotten it right, IMO.

As a defenseman (that missed a lot of guys), I can say that when you miss with a check, the natural tendency is to throw your arms out to try and make some contact. The result is that your body is moving away from the hit but the arms move into the other player.

That is not what happened here. He planted his body and turned his whole upper body into the hit. And he led with his arm/elbow.
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Only if you believe he meant to target the head...which you obviously do.

I don't, I think he meant to hit him in the shoulder and knock his ass backwards...but Ferland was lower than AV expected. What reason would he have had to target a 3rd line kid he has never even heard of before?
I think it's pointless to speculate about intent. How the hell do we know what he intended? Are we mind readers? We have only his behavior to go by and it definitely warrants a suspension.
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Hopefully ferland is ok... He looked great in the first two periods and he's had such terrible luck with injuries it would suck for him to be out for a long time from a dirty hit like that by a veteran on a rookie.
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It is beyond comprehension why the Calgary Flames are succumbed to hits. Conspicuously, Volchenkov's deserves to be penalized for his actions. More importantly though was the kneeing on Matt Stajan; the injuries to Joe Colborne, and Mikael Backlund. Injuring someone at the expense of getting two points is beyond human cognition.

Accordingly, aggressive plays should be abolished by the NHL. No body has a right to injure their opponents. Yes, blocking shots, playing with expertise, puck control, winning face offs is sportsmanship. The way Johnny Gaudreau performed last night meets these expectations.
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