Fire & Ice Girls: Sexist Anachronism?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

I never suggested they owe me anything. I have no idea why you would make this up, maybe you get off on spouting off at people who knows.



No I don't know the revenue stream but I can count the amount of adds there are and I'm certain they don't come cheap.

I appreciate the site and what D'Arcy has done, I didn't suggest anywhere that I feel otherwise.

I'm not criticizing, if you think that making money is something worth criticizing, that's on you, no where am I being critical. A person's motivations for doing something are their own, I'm not judging, just pointing out something.

This is what you said and I quote....."I can't say any of this is certain or true, but when significant amounts money are involved, I have a hard time believing that the decisions are genuinely made for the benefit of society and not for the benefit of the owners' pockets."

[Stanathan]

Originally Posted by Dion

What good can come out of dissing the owner of this site because you think he's lining his own pockets?

Good on him if he is lining his pockets, I'm happy for him and I don't think making money is a "diss". You obviously do though.

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

You keep making demands on the moderators to provide evidence about revenue from advertising. They owe you nothing. They owe me nothing either. They have provided us a free forum to talk about the Flames and other topics and that is enough.

You're wrong, please provide evidence of me making continuous demands for financial information. You are making things up and you don't know the difference between a statement and a demand and that is truly sad.

My position is that without evidence of revenue, Photon could potentially be downplaying the revenue of the site, which is a statement and not a demand. I'm not asking for anything let alone demanding it and I very early on said it should not be made public.

[Stanathan]

Originally Posted by Dion

This is what you said and I quote....."I can't say any of this is certain or true, but when significant amounts money are involved, I have a hard time believing that the decisions are genuinely made for the benefit of society and not for the benefit of the owners' pockets."

And wherein that do I say it's a bad or negative thing? It's just a statement. If true I don't begrudge him for that. If you have an issue with doing such, that's a representation of your feelings, not mine, and if true, I wouldn't begrudge you for it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

Good on him if he is lining his pockets, I'm happy for him and I don't think making money is a "diss". You obviously do though.

Stop making things up!

[Stanathan]

Originally Posted by Dion

Stop making things up!

Still not making things up, it's qualified with an "if".

[photon]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

A person's motivations for doing something are their own, I'm not judging, just pointing out something.

The only reason I can think of that you would possibly be posting what you are posting is you are trying to be disruptive and harmful to the community, intentionally insulting and disparaging the moderators and site owner, probably because you want to decrease the site traffic and thereby harm Bingo financially.

But your motivations are your own, I'm not judging you, just pointing out something. It's totally within the realm of possibility.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

And wherein that do I say it's a bad or negative thing? It's just a statement. If true I don't begrudge him for that. If you have an issue with doing such, that's a representation of your feelings, not mine, and if true, I wouldn't begrudge you for it.

You stated an opinion of what you believe.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

Still not making things up, it's qualified with an "if".

You made a wrong assumption that I felt D'Arcy was lining his pockets

[calumniate]

Yep it's confirmed. CP hired a huge seo consulting firm and decided to remove ylyl, a single thread out of thousands, because it would make a huge impact on traffic and advertising dollars.

Suspiciously, they also started a tech forum to attract all the nerds. I wouldn't be surprised if they started a curling thread soon. I'm not long for this world

[Wormius]

How long does this troll feeding go on for?

Won't somebody please think of the Fire on Ice Girls??

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

You're wrong, please provide evidence of me making continuous demands for financial information. You are making things up and you don't know the difference between a statement and a demand and that is truly sad.

Let's look at a few of your gems:

"I can't say any of this is certain or true, but when significant amounts money are involved, I have a hard time believing that the decisions are genuinely made for the benefit of society and not for the benefit of the owners' pockets.

Obviously if I had a huge issue with it, I wouldn't be a member here and I am completely on board with the forum making money any way it can. I just don't buy all the cuddly crap and and I get a good chuckle at it because I feel money is corrupting the genuine nature of the recent decisions."

"Well nothing you say with respect to the revenue of the forum holds any wight unless you open up the books; that's assuming you've ever seen them and are not talking out of your you know what."

"I don't believe much of your mod jibber jabber with respect to the motivation behind decisions and the true revenue of the site and I'm not required to in order to be a member or to enjoy the CP community just like you don't have to give a rats butt about anything I say nor do you need to address it. "

"Sounds like jibber jabber when you have no evidence to support your statements."

Each and every single quote indicates that unless Bingo and the moderation team "open the books" that they are lying about their revenue. They don't have to do this because they don't owe you anything.

I hope Bingo makes a fantastic living off of Calgary Puck - he (and the moderation team) have provided a wonderful forum that I've enjoyed for 8 years. I am grateful for that. Are there times where they make decisions that I disagree with? Yes. However, it is not a democracy here. It is often quite democratic but that doesn't make it a democracy.

The moderation team decided to take steps to help Calgary Puck more inclusive because there are some amazing women contributors here and I think it would be good to have more of them. They've challenged posters to be more cognizant of what they post and how their posts will impact others. I think that is a great thing. If you don't like it, it is your prerogative to leave.

[Stanathan]

Originally Posted by Dion

You stated an opinion of what you believe.

No, I made a statement of what might be possible and you created an impression of what I might believe.

Originally Posted by photon

The only reason I can think of that you would possibly be posting what you are posting is you are trying to be disruptive and harmful to the community, intentionally insulting and disparaging the moderators and site owner, probably because you want to decrease the site traffic and thereby harm Bingo financially.

But your motivations are your own, I'm not judging you, just pointing out something. It's totally within the realm of possibility.

No little winky face necessary as you are 100% correct in that the above could be true and you have no idea what my motivations are and that it is totally within the realm of possibility.

Thank you for not judging me.

[Stanathan]

Originally Posted by Wormius

How long does this troll feeding go on for?

Won't somebody please think of the Fire on Ice Girls??

Good point, I'm full and couldn't fit another bite, not even a little wafer.



I like the fire and ice girls, let them do what they want without this writer calling foul on "sexist anarchronism".

I'm out, peace.

[Locke]

[nik-]

this thread sucks

[jayswin]

I think the fact that this guy can openly suggest this site is rolling in the dough and making decisions with advertisers in mind, to roll in more dough, is a testament to how free you are to speak your mind here. How many forums have you been to?

You go to HFboards and watch them ban dozens of posters a day, literally for their opinion on hockey, because the mods are mostly passionate, sometimes edgy cheerleaders of their teams.

Like seriously...

"This site is making decisions based on advertisers and is likely making 6 figures in revenue, and that is really shady and greasy of the site owener".....

..and mods are calmly and politely debating your comments for the public to see. Let that sink in for a minute and then tell me this is a closed off, gestapo-esque, money making regime. Like come on.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

McCallum's complaint is very typical for someone that's simply irritated by something but does not really have anything sensible to offer: she doesn't like seeing attractive women on ice but she does not offer a plausible alternative solution, because none of the solutions would stand the reverse critique test.

I think a plausible alternative solution is to do what the NHL did for the 80 or 90 odd years before they started tarting up young women/girls and sending them out to be stared at by the men in the crowd.

We should be honest here and quit with the flimsy rationalizations.

This isn't about giving young women a springboard to another career, giving the girls a chance for some extra cash, cleaning the ice, practicing their dance routines, or inspiring young girls.

It is 100% about T&A. The only reason they are there is so male customers can look at the tits and asses of young women.

It doesn't matter who knows who, whose friend loves the job, some weird "right" they have to do what they want... they are only there so people can look at their tits and asses.

[AcGold]

^It's simply not 100% T%A, their job is to clean the ice. If they don't they'll be fired, so you're wrong.

If you are going to claim it's sexism or negative provide evidence of how it is negatively effecting these girls lives. If I were in their position I'd be thrilled to have it on my resume and it's a fairly easy job, no dance moves to memorize, no negative societal connotations or anything bad at all. Skate around, look good, scoop up excess snow. Society has much more pertinent issues to focus on like homeless people or spousal abuse.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by AcGold

^It's simply not 100% T%A, their job is to clean the ice. If they don't they'll be fired, so you're wrong.

So a man or an older and/or unattractive woman should be able to apply for and get the job too then, right? If it's just about cleaning the ice, then being an attractive young woman isn't a required attribute.

As I said before, if you want to defend the concept of Ice Girls, go right ahead, but use better reasoning than this. At least be honest about the situation and don't pretend they're not hired for their looks when it's blatantly obvious that they absolutely are.

Society has much more pertinent issues to focus on like homeless people or spousal abuse.

LOL.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

So a man or an older and/or unattractive woman should be able to apply for and get the job too then, right? If it's just about cleaning the ice, then being an attractive young woman isn't a required attribute.

As I said before, if you want to defend the concept of Ice Girls, go right ahead, but use better reasoning than this. At least be honest about the situation and don't pretend they're not hired for their looks when it's blatantly obvious that they absolutely are.



LOL.

You should contact the Flames and voice your displeasure.