Fire & Ice Girls: Sexist Anachronism?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

So my take-away from this thread is that we should all be nude at all times.

Maybe like a little codpiece (sheer fabric of course) just so it doesn't get caught in the car door.

I thought slamming my seatbelt in the door was bad... talk about perspective..

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Locke

Lol, no kidding! I've seen what they earn and you cant buy any coke with that kind of pay.

Yeah, those summer interns get worked like rented mules.

The Felions (BC's cheerleaders) are all volunteers. They do it because they like it. A woman that works HR for the Canucks danced for years with the Felions and loved it. Still gets involved in appearances and gigs and wishes she could still dance.

I teased the lady that runs the ice crew for the Canucks about getting on the ice, they have men and women, and was told that I was not exactly what they were looking for. If anyone is interested in becoming an Ice Crew member let me know and I will hook you up. But be prepared that they might tell you, politely of course, that you are too old and fat for the gig.

[polak]

Originally Posted by GGG

The NHL is not sexist in the way it hires players. They hire the best hockey players full stop regardless of appearance or gender.

The correct answer that would pass any test would be to hire the people that are the best at the job regardless of appearance or gender but most jobs hire attractive people over less attractive people given the same skill set. This is a societal issue and the ice girls is not the place to have the fight.

Except that there are jobs where being attractive is part of the qualifications. The Fire and Ice girls are essentially promo models. Good looking people sell products better as people are drawn to them.

It's human nature for people to want to look at good looking people. I don't get why we should feel guilty about it? Jeeze I'd HATE to live in the world the PC people envision.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe because they umm.... like to? Nobody holds a gun to their heads and forces them to take that job and wear those clothes. They do it because they get paid and they obviously like showing themselves off and getting attention. Why should attractive women not be allowed to show them selves off if they are proud of their appearance? I see muscular dudes strutting without their shirts in the summer and it's the same thing. Some people that look good like to show it off. There is really nothing else to it. When you see girls in the mall wearing tight shorts and skirts do you feel it's your place to ensure they can't wear those clothes even if that's what they like to wear? You are essentially no different than the anti-abortion crowd that wants to dictate what others can or can't do. It's not your place to dictate fashion as people should be free to dress how they want regardless of how you personally feel about it. You are free to raise your daughter as you wish but you can't take away others choices to suit your personal view of equal values which isn't nearly as equal as you think it is.

Can I change my vote for the overraction post of this thread.


At the end of the day people will do as they wish.


I am still confused on why the need to wear the "uniform" they do to shovel snow of an ice rink.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Me too
Welcome to the new CP "walking on egg shells" era where we can't call fat girls fat and can't post pictures anymore.

heck, even your comment is borderline "misogynistic" here

1. If you don't like what the site is anymore - you don't have to visit here. We don't need you.
2. Your description of what CP is now is a gross exaggeration.

Things change. We've changed. For the better. You don't like it? Fine - you're call. But whining about it isn't going to change that. So you have a choice to make about whether you wish to continue to regularly visit CP.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

1. If you don't like what the site is anymore - you don't have to visit here. We don't need you.
2. Your description of what CP is now is a gross exaggeration.

Things change. We've changed. For the better. You don't like it? Fine - you're call. But whining about it isn't going to change that. So you have a choice to make about whether you wish to continue to regularly visit CP.

I'm entitled to what I want!! Screw anything else!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You just basically admitted your point of view is changing because you are having difficulty accepting that your daughter is coming of age to possibly be sexually active in the coming years and that once she physically develops she may elicit looks from boys. That's life and it's your problem not ours.

As a dad, it's more of a concern that she'll think she needs to dress like a skank in order to have boys like her.

But I suspect ice girls and cheerleaders won't be around much longer. Pro sports is a largely corporate affair these days, events where colleagues and clients go to impress one another. In today's corporate climate, it's increasingly awkward for men and women who work together to be exposed to anything sexual. It's just not a good idea for Mike in Sales to be ogling a scantily-clad 21-year-old while sitting next to Sandra from Account Payable.

Originally Posted by Drury18

It's also a staple in KHL games. This is HC Vityaz's arena. The cheerleaders are positioned on a stage above the goalie. It's considered part of the game entertainment.

Well, if they do it in Russia, it's gotta be okay. There's few better countries in which to be a woman, after all.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

That's not what it's about, it's about ethics in game journalism.

[Barbecue]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

1. If you don't like what the site is anymore - you don't have to visit here. We don't need you.
2. Your description of what CP is now is a gross exaggeration.

Things change. We've changed. For the better. You don't like it? Fine - you're call. But whining about it isn't going to change that. So you have a choice to make about whether you wish to continue to regularly visit CP.

1. Fair enough
2. Hardly a "gross exaggeration". It is what it is, the direction of the changes is now egg shell walking and you know I'm not the only one that feels that way but i'll probably be the only one that states it

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

1. Fair enough
2. Hardly a "gross exaggeration". It is what it is, the direction of the changes is now egg shell walking and you know I'm not the only one that feels that way but i'll probably be the only one that states it

The last 8 months have been a real rollercoaster of emotion eh.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The last 8 months have been a real rollercoaster of emotion eh.

it ain't easy being a white male

[cDnStealth]

Why is a woman automatically a skank for wearing a short skirt?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by cDnStealth

Why is a woman automatically a skank for wearing a short skirt?

Fair enough.

...dress in a far more revealing fashion than male co-workers in order to have boys like her.

Maybe if some of the ice girls wore skirts and some wore track pants it would come across more as a matter of personal choice and preference.

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am still confused on why the need to wear the "uniform" they do to shovel snow of an ice rink.

Because we touch ourselves at night.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by polak

Because we touch ourselves at night.

Pro Tip


Do it in the shower in the morning......

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Pro Tip


Do it in the shower in the morning......

I'll have to drag my desktop into the bathroom.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

1. Fair enough
2. Hardly a "gross exaggeration". It is what it is, the direction of the changes is now egg shell walking and you know I'm not the only one that feels that way but i'll probably be the only one that states it

The others are probably mature enough to realise that change can be for the greater good and have moved on.

[nik-]

Not me. First "The Vote" ... now "respect and dignity". Where does it end?

[Stanathan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

1. If you don't like what the site is anymore - you don't have to visit here. We don't need you.
2. Your description of what CP is now is a gross exaggeration.

Things change. We've changed. For the better. You don't like it? Fine - you're call. But whining about it isn't going to change that. So you have a choice to make about whether you wish to continue to regularly visit CP.

I'm not sure if CP members choose to ignore it or not, but the amount of advertising on CP is astounding and I imagine it comes with 6 figures of annual revenue and if not, very close to it. I don't think you just want to be telling CP members you don't need them because I'm sure these paying advertisers are expecting a certain amount of hits etc.

This forum may once have been a place where the owner and the mods made decisions based on honest ethics and principles and the desire to provide a great place for sports fans to come together, but with this amount of money involved, things like the YLYL thread going away are likely happening to try and reach new demographics to increase revenue.

I can't say any of this is certain or true, but when significant amounts money are involved, I have a hard time believing that the decisions are genuinely made for the benefit of society and not for the benefit of the owners' pockets.

Obviously if I had a huge issue with it, I wouldn't be a member here and I am completely on board with the forum making money any way it can. I just don't buy all the cuddly crap and and I get a good chuckle at it because I feel money is corrupting the genuine nature of the recent decisions.