Who gets sent down when David Jones is back?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If he goes on waivers, 10 bucks says Cheveldayoff takes him back.

I'll take that bet. Don't see any reason for Winnipeg to claim him.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

I think we cut ties with Setoguchi. Hartley seems to really like Jooris as he is getting big minutes at important times. Big game tonight for Jooris that could cement his place on this team.

Completely agree.

What was particularly cool about last game was that, after Jooris' line got scored on (with Jooris failing to clear the zone), Hartley went right back to him and had him out on the ice in the final minute.

I like the 'it's over, let's get back on the horse and try again' message that kind of coaching sends, especially to young guys who are going to make mistakes.

[Goriders]

Hopefully David Jones.

I like the line-up right now. Setoguchi would be the other bubble guy. But even he's contributing (not in terms of scoring).

I'm hoping Jooris gets to stay for a while. I'd like to see what he can turn into with soem experience. He's super fast and gritty.

[Dion]

Nobody gets sent down for now. Seto will continue to move in and out of the lineup due to injuries on this team. Jooris on the other hand needs to keep up his good play if he wants to stick with the team.

[sec304]

When is David Jones expected back?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by sec304

When is David Jones expected back?

They said he will most likely be ready to go before halloween.

[Yrebmi]

Only one shot? Seto needs Francis to write a hatchet piece on him. Worked for JG.

[darthma]

I disagree with sending down a vet in favour of a younger player. The optics from outside the organization of signing a UFA and then sending them to the minors (almost immediately) would be horrible. If talent was ONLY developed from within the system, this would be fine. However, if we want to continue to attract UFAs here, it would be a good idea not to throw each of these under the bus any time things go wrong.

I get that there is a giant 'youth movement' but there seems to be CP-blinders on. The new guys can do no wrong, while the vets are all cannon fodder.

[Finger Cookin]

The pecking order IMO would be 1) Jooris, 2) Gaudreau, 3) Setoguchi.

I'm also not worried about how Setoguchi gets handled this season, however it shakes out, and what they may do to the future ability to sign FAs. Setoguchi isn't a traditional FA, he's a reclamation project signed late in the offseason. Reclamation projects flame out lots, if we end up releasing him or sending him to the minors or whatever, I doubt it does anything to prosepctive FA signings in the 2015 offseason or in future years.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Jooris would be my guess.

There will be more injuries throughout the year, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames make a trade or two way before the deadline as other teams sustain injuries and require some depth.

I would bet the last recall that was made is sent down, as I think there will be another one or two before Jones returns.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by darthma

I disagree with sending down a vet in favour of a younger player. The optics from outside the organization of signing a UFA and then sending them to the minors (almost immediately) would be horrible. If talent was ONLY developed from within the system, this would be fine. However, if we want to continue to attract UFAs here, it would be a good idea not to throw each of these under the bus any time things go wrong.

I get that there is a giant 'youth movement' but there seems to be CP-blinders on. The new guys can do no wrong, while the vets are all cannon fodder.

A potential UFA doesn't give a crap if a scrub like Setoguchi gets sent down to the minors.

[MolsonInBothHands]

I hope it is Setoguchi. If the Adirondack coach is in over his head like some have suggested in other threads, then I don't want him dealing with prime prospects any more than necessary, and another veteran may actually be helpful down there until everyone adjusts to new surroundings.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by darthma

I disagree with sending down a vet in favour of a younger player. The optics from outside the organization of signing a UFA and then sending them to the minors (almost immediately) would be horrible. If talent was ONLY developed from within the system, this would be fine. However, if we want to continue to attract UFAs here, it would be a good idea not to throw each of these under the bus any time things go wrong.

I get that there is a giant 'youth movement' but there seems to be CP-blinders on. The new guys can do no wrong, while the vets are all cannon fodder.

I rather have the optics be that the player that deserves to be in the line-up will be in the line-up no matter your age.

I don't think the Flames are going to miss out on any crappy Setoguchi type UFAs because they send him down. Players like Setoguchi will take a contract with any team that offers it.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by darthma

I disagree with sending down a vet in favour of a younger player. The optics from outside the organization of signing a UFA and then sending them to the minors (almost immediately) would be horrible. If talent was ONLY developed from within the system, this would be fine. However, if we want to continue to attract UFAs here, it would be a good idea not to throw each of these under the bus any time things go wrong.

I get that there is a giant 'youth movement' but there seems to be CP-blinders on. The new guys can do no wrong, while the vets are all cannon fodder.

I think people would understand if it's Setoguchi. He was a last minute pick-up because no one wanted him. He signed a one year deal almost league min.

If it was Hiller, Bollig or Engeland I'd agree with you.

I think internally it would be a great message for the guys in the AHL. The "always earned never given" slogan isn't just hot air.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

I think we cut ties with Setoguchi. Hartley seems to really like Jooris as he is getting big minutes at important times. Big game tonight for Jooris that could cement his place on this team.

Ya with how highly Hartley seems to think of Jooris and the whole "earned not given" mantra of the team this year, I actually see him staying up. If the Flames go back on that motto to keep Setoguchi simply because of his contract then I'm going to lose quite a bit of respect for Treliving

[Dime_On_Flames]

Originally Posted by darthma

I disagree with sending down a vet in favour of a younger player. The optics from outside the organization of signing a UFA and then sending them to the minors (almost immediately) would be horrible. If talent was ONLY developed from within the system, this would be fine. However, if we want to continue to attract UFAs here, it would be a good idea not to throw each of these under the bus any time things go wrong.

It's the nature of the business though. Just look at Matthew Lombardi and Peter Mueller as an example. They both failed to make the big club and got sent down. Both decided to go back to the Swiss league. No one is making any fuss about LA or STL that I've read.

If they send Setoguchi down and that affects future fringe NHLers from signing here, then so be it.

[Enoch Root]

I think Jooris is well on his way to earning himself a permanent spot.

As for Jones coming back, as MMF said, in all likelihood there will be other injuries by then. Last year, the Flames had just under 400 man-games lost, or an average of 5 per night.

I also have a feeling that something will be done with respect to either Setoguchi or Jones, sooner rather than later. The purpose of picking up guys like Setoguchi and Diaz is in case the kids aren't ready. Well Gaudreau, and possibly Jooris, are looking pretty ready. We shall see.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by darthma

I disagree with sending down a vet in favour of a younger player. The optics from outside the organization of signing a UFA and then sending them to the minors (almost immediately) would be horrible. If talent was ONLY developed from within the system, this would be fine. However, if we want to continue to attract UFAs here, it would be a good idea not to throw each of these under the bus any time things go wrong.

I get that there is a giant 'youth movement' but there seems to be CP-blinders on. The new guys can do no wrong, while the vets are all cannon fodder.

"Oh the Flames want to sign me? Didn't they send that one guy down to the minors when he sucked a few years back? Screw that, I won't sign with them."

- no UFA, ever

[AcGold]

^ Tom Erickson

[ForeverFlameFan]

Isn't Addy struggling because they have no vets? Use Setoguchi. While he might not be the best player, at least there is someone there that wants to get his NHL career back on track.