CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[starseed]

I was originally thinking it was a guardian one shot unlynchable, and that the mafia tracker fed him the ECF info, but GGG is right about flavor not being attached to the abilities. And it did say wireframe. An unshootable and unlynchable player seems bizarre. My current suspicion is that he is master hand, sending out the invites... But it doesn't seem to fit all the facts.

I'm completely stumped.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GGG

And that's where Timbo's cop claim becomes suspicious. Someone could have had a one off investigation or he could have found the mafia role cop. Timbo you said you didn't receive an alignment back in the bucket. What did you receive.

Oling / Rathji, how did you observe Rathji doing something townish yesterday. Rathji do you have extra powers?

I am not saying anything about the powers I have left. Your mafia buddies will need to figure that out on their own.

Vote: GGG

[GGG]

vote Girlysports

Let's actually kill scum today.

The plan that wood laid put works provided that guys like Drury and Timbo are town there is some risk that they aren't and there are 4 and not 5 scum. It's a good basis but not worth lynching me on day 1 of the plan.

Before lynching me the second time make sure in your head you have a theory that fits all available evidence and it's not a knee jerk reaction. Lynching me counts as a miss. And these misses are valuable if scum has hidden on our strong town list. There are two scenarios you have to believe in order to lynch me. The first is Maz created a 1-shot lynchproof, bulletproof, investigation immune, mafia God Fathsr. The second is that I am a one shot lynch proof mafia member and the eternal powers don't work and no one has investigated me. The powers would have to be given out by a third party with a separate win condition. Otherwise it wouldn't have made sense for scum to give a fake power to form when myself and oling were suspects. Up to you guys but I think anyone voting for me should clearly state the rational and what powers came from where. The two options I posted above don't make much sense. Just putting your vote on me without explaining the rational is scummy.

When ever the town decides it's time to reveal the cop Timbo should do it and the real cop should confirm. This way forces Timbo to disclose the cop. If he is wrong and the other party doesn't verify that their the cop it leads to Timbo being scum. If Timbo picks a scummy person as his cop at least both are out there. If the cop just reveals then Timbo goes untested.

A vote for girly is safe because she should have investigated me before the talk of me being a bulletproof godfather was established which should have at least for a day or to slowed down her pursuit of me. In my opinion based on the available evidence she is a much better target than me for today.

[Hockeyguy15]

So I thought about it, and we should probably not lynch GGG for now. If he is scum I can't see it being fair that he is lynchproof. If we get another day kill (that works) then MAYBE (still not sure we should trust the invites) we should consider it. I think it's in our best interest to just leave GGG be for now and focus on the other likely suspects.

Probable scum

Aeneas/Squiggs - Quiet under the radar types, sometimes I forget they are here. I know Squiggs has given us a few excuses for being quiet, but it could be a smoke screen. Aeneas, I can honestly say I know even less about him than Squiggs.

Girlysports - Vocal but quick to be defensive. Has some questionable theories on trying to confuse the mafia, overall scummy vibe. Though I don't think GGG is right about the cult invite, seems like more of a coincidence to me than a lynching point.

Diss - I'm honestly not sure about Diss, I don't really remember a lot about him. He went hard after Squiggs earlier and then kind of shut down after that. He also said he has 2 one shot night actions, but from what I can tell most of us have 1. Myself, Wood, Drury, and possibly Rathji all had 1 one shot ability. I'm not sure if having 2 means anything or not but it makes me wonder a bit.

I think we should focus on those 4 for now, I think there are probably at least 3 mafia in there. However, if I am wrong and there is less than 3 in there I think we need to look at GGG again.

All we need is that first hit and then we will be able to go back and dig up info. Hopefully I didn't butcher this post too much since I haven't had any coffee yet, if something doesn't make sense or looks wrong let me know and I can address it so it's more clear.

[Rathji]

No way I am moving from GGG until we know if he is permanently lynchproof, the more I think of it, no way scum would have permanent lynchproof.

Alternately, I would consider it if we have someone confirm another mafia member somehow. I am pretty sure that isn't happening though.

[dissentowner]

I think it makes sense what HG15 and GGG are saying. We can't afford a miss tonight at all. I have been suspicious of GS for a while now and if she flips scum it will make me believe more that GGG is being truthful when he claims he is town.

Vote:girlysports

[Timbo]

Right now I think quite a few of us are flummoxed. We need to reset our strategy.

Do we continue with GGG? It comes with the same risk we were willing to take earlier.
1. We get no lynch and lose one of us to night kill
2. We get scum and lose 1 of us to night kill
3. We lynch GGG and he is town and we lose town to night kill

Do we look towards another, where we risk lynching town and losing town in a night kill.
Basically options 2 and 3 as above.

Rathji's action literally saved the day. I feel it is very much a townie action. But I have not researched it.
Townie actions used IMO Lower number being more town.
1. Me (this is my list)
1a. Drury saving my life (where else would I put him)
2. Rathji saving the day (mafia would not sacrifice the night)
4. Hockeyguy15 Rewind (mixed on this)
4. Wood One shot vig kill (possible mafia was given this)

Townie assumed by role (possible one of these are scum)
1. Puxlut Mason
2. Starseed Mason
4. Oling Tracker

The Mysterious Unknown
1. Squiggs (not sure of the power/this is my ignorance though)
2. Dissentowner ( has 2 one shot items)
3. GirlySports ( Somewhat of an Outlier voting pattern IMO)
4. Aeneas (ignored but not forgotten or is it forgotten but not ignored)

The Uber Player
1. GGG 3 missed kill attempts 1 unsuccessful lynch

So do we go after GGG again or go after his last vote Aeneas, or his pick for scum Girly?
Can we afford to delay a GGG second lynch by another day?

[GirlySports]

Resetting is good, let's leave GGG to one side for now.

squiggs says his ability was to ensure the ECF's ability always got through. So I assume that he is the enabler.

However there is the mystery of his doctor role on the 3rd night. He saved Wood instead of ECF, that's one issue. But the bigger issue is, where did he get it? He didn't join either Eternals or Guardians.

Should I accept the power? It doesn't say who it's from, so if it comes up eternals, we know they are still around. And then who would I kill (assuming I make it through the night)?

Who hasn't got an invite yet?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Should I accept the power? It doesn't say who it's from, so if it comes up eternals, we know they are still around. And then who would I kill (assuming I make it through the night)?

Who hasn't got an invite yet?

You're not going to make it through the night if you tell us who you want to kill and it ends up being mafia. And they might even just kill you to frame that person.

If you accept, and I don't know if you should, you shouldn't reveal who you primed to anyone but starseed. In my opinion.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Should I accept the power? It doesn't say who it's from, so if it comes up eternals, we know they are still around. And then who would I kill (assuming I make it through the night)?

Who hasn't got an invite yet?

I believe me, Wood, Timbo, Aeneas, Squiggs. That's just off the top of my head so I could be wrong.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

When ever the town decides it's time to reveal the cop Timbo should do it and the real cop should confirm. This way forces Timbo to disclose the cop. If he is wrong and the other party doesn't verify that their the cop it leads to Timbo being scum. If Timbo picks a scummy person as his cop at least both are out there. If the cop just reveals then Timbo goes untested.

I agree with this. The issue is that now the cop can't reveal without waiting for the town to tell timbo? And if he dies tonight and timbo just says "yep that was the cop", how do we deal with that?

I accept and become a bigger target? Would that take the "heat" off?

[Wood]

I haven't recieved an invite to any groups yet

If i was puxlut id probably take it. Discuss with starseed who you think would be the best target

One thing im concerned about though is the message at thr start of day 5, it said something along the lines of guardians being one day away from winning

[Wood]

"The Eternals are close to defeat, The Guardians will prevail"

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GGG

vote Girlysports

Let's actually kill scum today.

The plan that wood laid put works provided that guys like Drury and Timbo are town there is some risk that they aren't and there are 4 and not 5 scum. It's a good basis but not worth lynching me on day 1 of the plan.

Before lynching me the second time make sure in your head you have a theory that fits all available evidence and it's not a knee jerk reaction. Lynching me counts as a miss. And these misses are valuable if scum has hidden on our strong town list. There are two scenarios you have to believe in order to lynch me. The first is Maz created a 1-shot lynchproof, bulletproof, investigation immune, mafia God Fathsr. The second is that I am a one shot lynch proof mafia member and the eternal powers don't work and no one has investigated me. The powers would have to be given out by a third party with a separate win condition. Otherwise it wouldn't have made sense for scum to give a fake power to form when myself and oling were suspects. Up to you guys but I think anyone voting for me should clearly state the rational and what powers came from where. The two options I posted above don't make much sense. Just putting your vote on me without explaining the rational is scummy.

When ever the town decides it's time to reveal the cop Timbo should do it and the real cop should confirm. This way forces Timbo to disclose the cop. If he is wrong and the other party doesn't verify that their the cop it leads to Timbo being scum. If Timbo picks a scummy person as his cop at least both are out there. If the cop just reveals then Timbo goes untested.

A vote for girly is safe because she should have investigated me before the talk of me being a bulletproof godfather was established which should have at least for a day or to slowed down her pursuit of me. In my opinion based on the available evidence she is a much better target than me for today.

One potential mafia member starts on GirlySports

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think it makes sense what HG15 and GGG are saying. We can't afford a miss tonight at all. I have been suspicious of GS for a while now and if she flips scum it will make me believe more that GGG is being truthful when he claims he is town.

Vote:girlysports

Another potential mafia member supports right away.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Resetting is good, let's leave GGG to one side for now.

squiggs says his ability was to ensure the ECF's ability always got through. So I assume that he is the enabler.

However there is the mystery of his doctor role on the 3rd night. He saved Wood instead of ECF, that's one issue. But the bigger issue is, where did he get it? He didn't join either Eternals or Guardians.

Here is Girly trying to change direction entirely. Sounds like a lot of confusing speak here without a lot of direction. Intended to provide another target while distracting us from GGG.

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So, based on all this, here is my theory.

GGG, being mafia, is pretty sure that if we believe his lynchproof claim and dont lynch him, he will fall off radar long enough to confound our search for other people. He knew he had 1-shot lynch proof and has been harping all game that if he was lynch proof he would be proven town.

GGG, does one last attempt to redirect to someone else, anyone else. He chooses GirlySports, (Note: could very well be mafia still)

Dissentower backs him on this, another mafia who is trying to change the momentum from GGG. If GGG survives the day, there is one more person who is able to confound things, even more so now that he has convinced people he is likely enough to be town that they stop short of the second lynch.

This leaves GirlySports. She could be mafia or not, and it really doesn't impact this plan at all. She might be willing to take one for the team to give GGG ultimate credibility to go along with his new found stock of people believing he is lynchproof. If she isn't mafia, it is just another tick in the column of us continuing to lynch town, sure it might lead back to GGG or Dissentower eventually, but the damage is done.

I am not changing my vote based on any suggestion from GGG. he is in throw stuff to the wall mode in hopes that enough sticks that he lasts one more day.

[Wood]

vote: GGG

[Hockeyguy15]

Ok so if we don't want to follow GGG and his vote on Girly, what about a vote for Aeneas or Diss? I'm still not really sure that wasting another lynch on GGG at this point is really worth calling his bluff.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm still not really sure that wasting another lynch on GGG at this point is really worth calling his bluff.

Poorly worded.

If GGG is still lynchproof and it wasn't a one shot deal, I don't know if now is when we should risk it with a second lynch. If there are 3 mafia out of Squiggs, Aeneas, Girly, and Diss we could always circle back to him after we exhaust our options with them.

[Wood]

I'm okay with voting any of GGG, aeneas, diss or girly. One is the cop though so it would be a big loss to out the cop during the day.

Mafia probably knows who it is anyways i guess