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[starseed]

Also, I think it is safe to point out that MOT2 isn't on my lists either.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by starseed

Also, I think it is safe to point out that MOT2 isn't on my lists either.

The lists from the post in question to be specific.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by starseed

All we knew for sure was that I, MOT2 and Wood were town.

Yes, but you didn't put Wood on your townie list. That makes no sense to me.

Hiding your partner? Sure, I can see that. But not vouching for a known townie? That's suspect at best. Should you have died night 2 and shown town (less likely the more I look at your posts) we could have known for sure you thought those on your townie list you actually thought were town without having to have your MOT friend vouch for wood or anything of that nature. It was bad game play if you are town to leave a known townie off your list.

Whatever, my votes secured again. You've told too many lies/ half-truths to the town, I don't see how anyone can not look at you as a top suspect right now. Not listing a known townie on your townie list? Either a townie who way overthought things, but more likely a mafia member. I don't know if you even used/have a one-shot cop now, pretty easy to say that a confirmed townie showed up as a townie...

[Timbo]

Why would Mafia target Wood? He has no power left.
I can see why ECF was targeted he would be an obstacle.
If starseed is indeed town and is as important as he thinks he is, why would mafia not target him?
every time I come up to a brick wall I stumble over starseed
Where am I going wrong here? Paranoia, blinded by something? I really am trying to see through all of this.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

One more thing starseed. If your power worked, why did the poison not work? Was squiggs lying do you think or is GGG night protected?

GGG did it say you were protected like starsseed or his partner was?

Mine did not disclose any kind of protection or requirement to use the power on non guardians. I am not night protected. We have not done a second test to see if the eternals powers actually work.

My one post on guardian / Eternal win conditions and then I am back to posting on scum as I feel that speculation on the guardian / eternal problems is detrimental to the town. Mazrim has said that this is not a ####### game. This means that allignments cannot change during the game. So this leaves the guardian / eternal leader as the only ones who could have some kind of different win condition. Now in theory the game could end when there is only a majority of guardians or eternals left but to me that seems like poor game design. The light are supposed to have until they are outnumberd to still win the game. This random event in my opinion would be a ####### type event.

So what are we left with. My working theory is that the guardian / eternal are either town or mafia alligned and giving out powers. They have the survivior role where they win if they survive. In this case they win if they survive and recruit the most people. Anything else that could happen would fall into a ####### type game which we have been told it isnt. Therefore I do not think that the win condition of the guardian/eternals is in conflict with that of the town.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

This was day 2 before the reveal.

Night 1 Starseed found out Wood was town.

Day 2 Starseed neglected to post it in his townie list. Maybe I'm wrong and Wood already revealed as it's hard to go back so many pages on phone but I'm pretty sure Wood was still a mystery to everyone...everyone but Starseed and the mafia.

Well then of course Starseed would try to hide Wood knowing he's town. Wouldn't you? Again he's not going to announce in pink neon letters that Wood is on the top of his townie list.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Well then of course Starseed would try to hide Wood knowing he's town. Wouldn't you?Again he's not going to announce in pink neon letters that Wood is on the top of his townie list.

No. I wouldn't have used pink neon lights (that's your thing)or said I knew for sure he was but if I thought (or knew) someone was town they would make an appearance on my townie list.

What's with trying to confuse the mafia? They knew wood was town...

[dissentowner]

Done a lot of reading today. Here are my thoughts. The MOT in my opinion was clearly a tool for the mafia. I think starseed is mafia and I think MOT 2 is Puxlut who is also mafia. Go back and look at the MOT success rate for pushing us to look into townies and how many have been eliminated. I think they have also been trying to throw us off by listing one of their own that never gets enough attention or votes, that person is girlysports. That is also why despite the MOT's saying we should look into her she just stated she believes starseed is town. You want to find the scum, start looking at the people trying to steer attention away from starseed. Seriously, I am not sure how anyone can not look back and not see the pattern there. Those three I am pretty sure are scum, I have a few others I am suspicious of as well.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Done a lot of reading today. Here are my thoughts. The MOT in my opinion was clearly a tool for the mafia. I think starseed is mafia and I think MOT 2 is Puxlut who is also mafia. Go back and look at the MOT success rate for pushing us to look into townies and how many have been eliminated. I think they have also been trying to throw us off by listing one of their own that never gets enough attention or votes, that person is girlysports. That is also why despite the MOT's saying we should look into her she just stated she believes starseed is town. You want to find the scum, start looking at the people trying to steer attention away from starseed. Seriously, I am not sure how anyone can not look back and not see the pattern there. Those three I am pretty sure are scum, I have a few others I am suspicious of as well.

On the off-chance he is telling the truth, either Puxlut or Girlysports was going to reveal being his partner. I didn't want to blurt it out in case he was town, but that much is obvious.

The thing with Girlysports is her "trying to confuse the mafia" the same tactic that Starseed is trying to employ now it seems. Starseed not being honest to the town, whether that's leaving off known townies from his townie list, or suggesting the MOT aren't part of this game, just seems like a way to confuse. But the mafia know what is happening, they wont be fooled, they thrive on confusion. She also got the Guardian invite at an opportune time and Starseed was able to confirm most of what it said (while distancing himself from her)

Puxlut's post about trying to decide what the doctor/cop should do has bothered me. Even starseed admits it's a terrible tactic for the town. She seemed like she was fishing for information about the cop from Timbo. I don't believe this is first game naivety. It was already explained why trying to dictate what the cop/doctor do isn't good before she suggested we decide what the cop/doctor do in the twilight thread yesterday. Trying to find out what night timbo found out who the cop was seems mafia oriented as it doesn't do the town any good.

Ever since Starseed's reveal it seemed like a push to get the cop to do what they wanted. Suggesting they investigated starseed or his partner, etc. etc. While overlooking the abilities to redirect or that some mafia members could show up town, see who visited starseed/partner etc. And of course the push away from lynch resulted in another reveal which was bad for town.

Then there's just the powers, why did Starseed and his partner get so many and why is an anonymous vote a good thing? Starseed has also pushed a lot for there being 2 factions (probably serial killer and mafia) but it's 2 nights in a row that only 1 player died. Possible he's not wrong, but seems like another way to cause confusion.

[Aeneas]

There we are. GGG coming back to the tried and not so true, don't focus on the cults. You are in one of them. Of course you don't want any focus.

You have long been my number one target for mafia. Coming out so strong and then of late cooling it down. Almost like you got some advice.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

No. I wouldn't have used pink neon lights (that's your thing)or said I knew for sure he was but if I thought (or knew) someone was town they would make an appearance on my townie list.

What's with trying to confuse the mafia? They knew wood was town...

Mafia doesn't know what we know. If we know who's town, they are no longer a lynching candidate, they become a kill candidate.

[dissentowner]

Vote:starseed

[mrkajz44]

I feel like only a few people are really pushing against starseed, and anyone who is not on board is suddenly tied to mafia. Am I wrong on this? Based on starseed's early reveal, his open discussion about the MOTs and the twilight thread I do believe he is town.

For me, Oling is getting worse and worse for the town. I was on the receiving end of his torments for a while, basically because I was one of four people who agreed on someone hammering RD. I did not advocate hammer on Matt and suddendly that made me mafia buddies with Matt. He was on me for that for a long time.

It just seems like he picks up one thing on someone and beats it into the floor. Now he's all over starseed for not putting wood on his town list. Looking back, maybe that wasn't a great idea, but starseed's explanation for it seems reasonable. So why continue to pound on it? I just don't get it.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Mafia doesn't know what we know. If we know who's town, they are no longer a lynching candidate, they become a kill candidate.

So are you admitting you MOT 2?

I'll never understand the mafia doesn't know what we know thing. They do know everything the average townie knows, plus more. That's the game. Informed vs uninformed. The only thing we can keep secret is our powers, and things we individually learn from our powers

[Rathji]

On the starseed, a mason pair is almost always town according to mafiascum, but we have no confirmation of that.

I would strongly support killing him on the basis of confirming his partner as town.

[Rathji]

Just to clarify, I can't day kill starseed as he is a guardian, so either he agrees and gives up his partner for us to day kill, or we lynch him as a backup in case my day kill doesnt hit mafia.

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 5 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (10): Drury18, Wood, starseed, Hockeyguy15, Rathji, Timbo, GGG, mrkajz44, Aeneas, Puxlut

Voted:
Timbo (2):
starseed (2): Oling_Roachinen, dissentowner
GGG (2): GirlySports, squiggs96
Hockeyguy15 (1):
GirlySports (1): formulate


The deadline is Monday, October 20th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time. Hammer cannot be dropped before Friday, October 17th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

This part stood out to me, I don't know why but it just sounds weird to me. Can you elaborate how lynching you is less helpful than lyching any other townsperson?

I meant it as in (from my perspective) I won't flip mafia, so just about any other player's lynch has a chance of being more helpful (ie mafia). I didn't mean (assuming any lynch were to hit town) that my flip would necessarily be less informative.

[Hockeyguy15]

Rathji are you still around? Can I ask you how you feel about using your kill on formulate? He is high up on a bunch of people's suspicion lists, something seems not right with him.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

There we are. GGG coming back to the tried and not so true, don't focus on the cults. You are in one of them. Of course you don't want any focus.

You have long been my number one target for mafia. Coming out so strong and then of late cooling it down. Almost like you got some advice.

I don't know if I am cooling it down I spent most of yesterday getting Timbo lynched. I had a busy day at work today so couldn't post at lunch or during the day. Tonight though I will be back up to my posting level.

As for cults If you can come up with a way that the cults win and the town lose just by joining the cults and having more members by all means I would love to here it. Keeping in mind that everything Mazrim has said has to be true and that chaging any win conditions turns it into a ####### game instead of a normal game. I can't come up with one. So I ignore it. (promise last post on cults)