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GGG · 10-09-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

No just time to put you in your place. and you made a post trying to implicate me. I feel you have done more harm than good. Are you Mafia? I do not know are you suspect yup!

Put me in my place? A little angry right now. Seems an odd comment for what is a friendly game.

Timbo · 10-09-2014, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I did say that, but once Mazrim interjected this morning I've since dropped it. It seems you are much more fascinated with it than the rest of the town.

Moving past that, I don't see a lot of substance in Timbo's post. He mentions hunting scum 3 times - we get it, we are trying to lynch the mafia. He throws out blame to a few names, without much support. Then he states there is much reading to do and he will report back with information. Why not just start the conversation now?

I don't know, Timbo wasn't really on the radar until this long post about nothing and how we can "bring it" now. Not really sure what "bring it" means when we are all hunting together as a team?

Why do I "bring it now" because you referred back to it in this post http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1865
not accusingly mind you but I am pointing this out as an affirmation of facts
Now you have made a contradiction.
Yes I have to go back and read and dissect posts. You don't? So am I being deflective ? Maybe defensive, well yes but I have to shut down false claims.

Direct questions. Did GGG not quote my previous posts in a manner that questioned my position as a townie?
Yes or No?

Would you prefer me as a townie to take the path of hmmhmmcamo and not answer and refute this?
Yes or No?
Please if you could point out where conclusions can be drawn from your post?

Intrestingly when I said bring it (and it is obviously directed to accusers re mafia) you took this as adversarial?

Timbo · 10-09-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Put me in my place? A little angry right now. Seems an odd comment for what is a friendly game.

I believe your place is not with townies. Not an odd comment at all. But maybe odd for one who's guilty.

Rathji · 10-10-2014, 01:31 AM

ok, was able to catch up on the thread after today.

My thoughts Starseed is likely telling the truth about being the MOT.
- This is based on the fact that he says he can prove it through the chat. Really its not much better than any role claim made by any player at this point, but with an increased chance of knowing, depending on what he does to prove it.
- There are 2 things that makes me uneasy about this. One is the fact that the MOT pretty much implied flat out that they were dead townspeople and the other is I really can't wrap my head around how they determined devo was killed by mafia. Maybe I missed it in my haste to catch up after being out of the thread all day. Feel free to point this out, Starseed

One of Oling and GGG is mafia. Too tired right now to think through it, and to be honest after my insane long work day and a night of gaming, I wouldn't want to, even if I could.

I realize that a couple posted about my absence so far this Day, but Thursdays I am never home during the evening due to my game group, and I was driving around all day for work so zero time spent during the day.

Rathji · 10-10-2014, 01:32 AM

ok, was able to catch up on the thread after today.

My thoughts Starseed is likely telling the truth about being the MOT.
- This is based on the fact that he says he can prove it through the chat. Really its not much better than any role claim made by any player at this point, but with an increased chance of knowing, depending on what he does to prove it.
- There are 2 things that makes me uneasy about this. One is the fact that the MOT pretty much implied flat out that they were dead townspeople and the other is I really can't wrap my head around how they determined devo was killed by mafia. Maybe I missed it in my haste to catch up after being out of the thread all day. Feel free to point this out, Starseed

One of Oling and GGG is mafia. Too tired right now to think through it, and to be honest after my insane long work day and a night of gaming, I wouldn't want to, even if I could.

I realize that a couple posted about my absence so far this Day, but Thursdays I am never home during the evening due to my game group, and I was driving around all day for work so zero time spent during the day.

starseed · 10-10-2014, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Wood

And you call yourself a Flames fan

I have to get up at 3:30am Calgary time, and didn't have a video feed. Death to the Oilers!!

starseed · 10-10-2014, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Puxlut

Wow. So between SS and his partner, they have 3 powers? Does he clarify who has which? How is knowing who killed someone going to help us? Don't the mafia do night kills? Are the extra votes always redirected? Are you being notified that they are redirected? Why reveal now? I was tempted to reveal my power (but now seeing how you're getting piled on, I don't think I will... a dead town person isn't a helpful townsperson)
Who ever said I have a sense of humour: thanks! I like to think I'm funny

I still don't see specific reasons for GS? All the accusations are getting messed up for me.
Oling is so aggressive! Holy cow! It's good to be digging and asking questions... but really. You take it to a new level. You hassled Delgar too about voting for me. I'm the one he voted for and I didn't get upset as much as you!!!???
Maybe Squiggs and Rathji are the recruiters? They don't post alot. Maybe they are too busy sending out invites.

I want to be careful about how much I reveal, but I will reveal that together we share the ability to vote. We then each have one personal ability. Knowing who killed whom could help us determine a strategy of the killers. It might be able to help us find patterns that lead to them. Yeah, the mafia do the night kills - I don't understand why you are asking that? Like I said, we have not been informed that our votes are being redirected. I tend to think the eternals votes are unrelated, but that is just a theory at this point. I decided to reveal now because the town was getting distracted, and I wanted to help get us back on track early in the day. Plus, I was going to reveal some numbers related to my spreadsheet, but ended up not including it because they assumed my partner was town, and so the numbers could possibly lead to my partner. Ultra paranoia.

Yes, I did feel good about my vote after seeing the aggressive response of Oling! Hopefully also the Timbo/Formulate theory is true.

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Originally Posted by Rathji

- There are 2 things that makes me uneasy about this. One is the fact that the MOT pretty much implied flat out that they were dead townspeople and the other is I really can't wrap my head around how they determined devo was killed by mafia. Maybe I missed it in my haste to catch up after being out of the thread all day. Feel free to point this out, Starseed

Our ability does not mention that it allows contact with players outside of, or removed from, the game. If you have a transcript of the message, it seems to me that MOT2 was trying to add flavour by implying that this was information given to us by players beyond the grave. To paraphrase what was said, it may have been a way for killed people to communicate from their grave - to investigate. Before that, MOT2 mentioned that all they could say was that we will know who killed devo. Before that, MOT2 mentioned that if the portal is open thrice, we would reveal a night 1 dead player's killers. MOT2 then asked for everyone to decide on who we would investigate. (after that I think a couple voted devo)

starseed · 10-10-2014, 06:05 AM

I think I should also clarify that I asked mazrim if the MOT thing was a violation of the spirit of the game, and he indicated that is was OK.

Mazrim · 10-10-2014, 08:10 AM

Vote Count:

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 6 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (7): dissentowner, squiggs96, Rathji, Timbo, GGG, Puxlut, Wood

Voted:
starseed (4): Hockeyguy15, mrkajz44, Aeneas, Oling_Roachinen
GGG (3): Drury18, East Coast Flame, GirlySports
East Coast Flame (1):
GirlySports (1): formulate
Oling_Roachinen (1): starseed

The deadline is Tuesday, October 14th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time. Hammer cannot be dropped before Friday, October 10th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

East Coast Flame · 10-10-2014, 08:33 AM

Alright, I think I am up to speed.

-I believe Starseed. I didn't jump on the voting bandwagon yesterday because I believed he was town before, and I believe him even more so now.

-Olng has some strange pile ons. You look for seemingly innocuous slip ups by people and absolutely hammer them for it, looking for something to stick. The first time you did it was against a confirmed townie (Delgar). I think you are being ridiculous against Starseed. When you get on the hunt, it seems really fishy to me and I don't think you are doing it to hunt out scum.

Unvote
Vote: Oling_Roachinen

Mazrim · 10-10-2014, 08:34 AM

Also, with the long weekend upon us, I will not be holding anyone to inactivity rules until next week.

East Coast Flame · 10-10-2014, 08:34 AM

Although I do have one question for Starseed - have you used your one-shot ability? Don't need to say what it is. If so, did it work out like you thought it would?

Oling_Roachinen · 10-10-2014, 08:52 AM

There's a pretty universally accepted strategy in these games. Lynch all liars:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...ynch_All_Liars

If the MOT was set up to be a tool to be used by the town, why did they add to the confusion? Why did they try to suggest they weren't even players in this game? Why did they suggest the ability to talk to the dead?

We've been set up from the beginning. The Eternals and Guardians was just a ploy to get people to turn against each other. We've been lead to believe that Eternal members were bad in the first day messages while given nothing about the Guardians. The Guardian invites have also suggested that they are against the Eternals etc. etc. So far we've nearly lynched our doctor and were set up to use a vig kill on GP_Matt (which conveniently might be the only thing that can kill GGG) all because they accepted invites into the Eternals. At the same time Starseed, apparently not knowing anything about the Guardians, joins them the first night.

Girlysports was suggesting that Eternals were given anti-town powers and Starseed was quick to back that up:

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Originally Posted by starseed

Wow. That is an entirely anti-town power.

At the same time, when Girlysports is getting suspicion cast on her she magically receives an invite from our good friends the Guardians, and Starseed is able to verify most of what was said. This seems to have backfired but seems like a plan to get Girlysports removed as a target because the Guardians, our champions, wouldn't invite a mafia member.

Starseed also happens to get a power that will be better in the late game, a good excuse to not lynch him.

Oh, and:

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Originally Posted by starseed

Suspected Mafia
-hmmhmmcamo : gets called out for inactivity, posts a lot once the heat is on. Not much substance to posts prior to getting called out. Bad town suggestions early, then seems less clueless now?

-HG15 : seems much different. Less activity scum hunting than last game. Something seems off about him

-squiggs/Baxter : cofR type inactivity

Town:
ECF- maybe I am falling for the deception? I am heavily leaning that he is telling the truth

-rathji : no idea. Just a feeling. I want to know who he targeted last night.

-GGG : I could be completely wrong about him, but he voted against the bizaro train when it was in full motion. Mind you, if he were mafia, he would know biz would flip town, which would add to his credibility late in the game. Maybe he killed biz to build that credibility? But I am leaning to those thoughts being paranoia. My gut is saying town. I think we need townies to go against the mob when they feel the mob is on the wrong track.

So Starseed thinks GGG is town? But the MOT have suggested not once, but twice, he was on there list. Oh, another lie by the MOT and Starseed.

When Delgar is killed, Starseed is quick to point out he "likely" took two bullets. The MOT, if they weren't complete liars, have been suggesting multiple factions in the game. All just another ploy to add confusion, there's probably only 1 mafia group and they used their power for an extra kill the first night.

Starseed has done his best to confuse the town, and he's been exceptional at it. But if he was town, he would not have put on this elaborate charade to the detriment of the town. He would have came out and said in the first MOT "we're town, this is our power" without trying to confuse us like they did.

This is all without even go into his argument about the early reveals and how mrkajz44 was quick to point out that was a complete lie.

It's obviously if I'm wrong what will happen the next day. But right now Starseed made one last ditch effort to get one more reveal before his lynch. He has the backing of probably 4 mafia members, so if a couple townies jump on board so will they.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-10-2014, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Alright, I think I am up to speed.

-I believe Starseed. I didn't jump on the voting bandwagon yesterday because I believed he was town before, and I believe him even more so now.

Can you explain why Starseed is claiming GGG is town in public, but anonymously naming him as a top suspect twice in the MOT? And how that would be a good strategy for the town?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...ynch_All_Liars

mrkajz44 · 10-10-2014, 09:03 AM

Okay, slept on it and re-read everything from Starseeds mega-post. I still have two questions:

1) What is the "extra vote" that is talked about? I cannot find clarity on that. I do not believe it was the extra votes on Matt and ECF because they are / were both members of the eternals and that is just too much of a coincidence.

2) Still not sure I understand this "beyond the grave" thing either. I checked mafiascum and the corner power is usually limited to use in games with limited informaiton on the flips, but we have full disclosure on the flips. So I don't think that's the power. I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand the power

In the back of my mind, I have some faith that starseed is telling the truth about the MOT. However, I still can't look away from his scummy behaviour otherwise summarized here:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1855

My vote stays on him for now. If points 1 and 2 are clarified, I might change my mind, but at this point I can't move off him.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-10-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mrkajz44

2) Still not sure I understand this "beyond the grave" thing either. I checked mafiascum and the corner power is usually limited to use in games with limited informaiton on the flips, but we have full disclosure on the flips. So I don't think that's the power. I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand the power

He's claimed it was just 'flavour'

But I think stage 2 of the twilight thread was to post as a dead player because there would be nothing to stop them from making their name Delgar for example.

formulate · 10-10-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But right now Starseed made one last ditch effort to get one more reveal before his lynch. He has the backing of probably 4 mafia members, so if a couple townies jump on board so will they.

If this is indeed the case (Starseed is mafia, trying to push his lynch back by a day and gain another town reveal), then there are a couple possibilities.

He could be telling the truth about being the MOT (either just one, or both himself) and utilizing it purely for confusion's sake. He could also be lying, saying 'I can confirm, but not until after a lynch'. I'm having trouble shaking the idea of CaptainCrunch being one of the MOTs, and would twilight just cease to exist if the players running it were killed?

I believe you have a point about GGG being suggested for investigation twice, yet Starseed's gut is now saying town.

The timing of the reveal is odd, town or mafia, with the already-existing confusion surrounding GGG. How many votes did Starseed have on him?

I need more time to think before changing my vote. Lynching GirlySports first could still be an option. A mafia flip or town flip with no evidence of Starseed being MOT would mean an easy next day lynch of Starseed. GS town flip and Starseed proving MOT would make it a whole lot easier to believe he's town as well, but again, I need to mull it over more.

10-10-2014, 09:37 AM

But what is stopping the real dead Delgar from posting in the twilight thread?

I don't understand the extra vote on Delgar and devo? When did you do an extra vote?

I'm trying to think what I would have done if I had all of Starseed's powers... But I guess being able to talk to another confirmed town on the side would help me. Right now the only REALLY confirmed town is wood, right? ECF and Starseed are just claiming through their alleged powers.

Timbo · 10-10-2014, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mrkajz44

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I have some faith that starseed is telling the truth about the MOT. However, I still can't look away from his scummy behaviour otherwise summarized here:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1855

Either I'm confused or you made an error starseed is talking about the Factions (Guardians/Eternals) not the Masters of Twilight(MOT)

GGG · 10-10-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by formulate

I believe you have a point about GGG being suggested for investigation twice, yet Starseed's gut is now saying town.

Oling's point is that MOT thread Day 1, GGG was a suspect, In the reveal your top 3 suspects list mid-day 2 Startseed had GGG leaning town, In the day two MOT thread GGG is back being a suspect.

That is a pretty could catch that definately needs an explanation.

I still come back to the WIFOMy argument that Starseeds reveal was way too complicated and ackward to be a lie. The lynch all liars policy lynch though is not a bad option as it does help the town in future games as well as this one

(sorry about the third person reference It justs makes it more clear).