CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by GGG

Delgars theory relies on two mafia being the killer and not a 3rd party and and mafia.

Again, while Mazrim's posting are "flavour", in the past such "flavour" has clearly pointed to separate killers.... one clean, one messy, sadistic.

Do the math... does 2 mafia kills instead of 1 mafia 1 SK really tip the balance? Perhaps... as if it were down to 1 mafia member, that would be overpowered imho. But it could also be they get 2 kills as a group of X, it goes down to 1 kill once they hit a certain number.... I'm just guessing though. I'm surprised people are assuming there is a SK, I don't that is necessarily true though its possible.

[stazzy33]

I didn't pay attention much to the last game, but there were two groups of mafia right? Did Maz say that initially, or was that something that came to light as people were killed?

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Where I struggle with the logic is that nothing has led us to believe there are one mafia faction with two kills per night.
Giving one faction two kills a night would be a huge numerical advantage for the mafia.

With two factions or a SK there is a chance that they will hit each other. There is also a chance that we will eliminate one earlier in the game thereby slowing down the kill rate. If one unified group has two kills per night we are in a lot of trouble.

I tend to agree here with you. So if one kill was mafia, was it Devo22(Mario)
or Bizaro86 (Donkey Kong)

In Mazrims post he added that Kong looked like he put up a fight. Is this a clue?
Vigilante or Serial Killer even so why him or why Devo?
Going through their posts I found nothing of note other than Devo
mentioning starseed as a potential suspect if he was not posting in a informed manner. Did this get him killed?
I cant find anything in Bizaro's posts but I may have missed something.
Why were these two killed other than being townies? Anybody else have a theory?

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by stazzy33

I didn't pay attention much to the last game, but there were two groups of mafia right? Did Maz say that initially, or was that something that came to light as people were killed?

In Game 2 we knew right away. Game 1 came down to flavour.

[stazzy33]

Originally Posted by Delgar

In Game 2 we knew right away. Game 1 came down to flavour.

So then it would probably make more sense that there is a mafia group and a serial killer. I feel like Maz is always pretty obvious when it comes to these sorts of things.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Again, while Mazrim's posting are "flavour", in the past such "flavour" has clearly pointed to separate killers.... one clean, one messy, sadistic.

Do the math... does 2 mafia kills instead of 1 mafia 1 SK really tip the balance? Perhaps... as if it were down to 1 mafia member, that would be overpowered imho. But it could also be they get 2 kills as a group of X, it goes down to 1 kill once they hit a certain number.... I'm just guessing though. I'm surprised people are assuming there is a SK, I don't that is necessarily true though its possible.

I'll have to go back to game one to see but I thought the clean vs Messy was debunked mid way through. A serial killer because they don't have extra knowledge will miss town 1/4 times and a scum death is 4 times as devastating as a town death so it balances out nicely. Mafia hits 100% townie. So you need to kill scum 2/3 days to keep up. The town has lost if there are 2 mafia kills per night. If we lynch town today we'd be at -6 tomorrow so down to 10-6. Which if they have 2 kills is game over even if we bat 100%. 8-5, 6-4, 4-3, dead. I don't believe the game would be set up like that.

If the second kill was power limited so only works once then I can see two mafia kills. But otherwise not really.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by GGG

So looking at Oling's list of quick lynch supporters I found ECFs name interesting. I had thought that he was relatively inactive this game. He's actually the 4th most active poster. All of the other people in the top 7 or 8 posters I could have told you who they were voting for and why. With ECF I was quite clueless.

Does anyone else see ECF as flying under the radar?

I've defended every vote I've made and gave my explanation for adovacting for the hammer. I stand by my justification.

[East Coast Flame]

Is it possible that there was someone with a one time night kill ability?

[Drury18]

I'm trying to read through everything and catch up here.

One question I haven't seen asked or answered (or I missed it): For those who've received the recruitment PM's, whose sending those PM's? Is it Mazrim or another player sending them?

[East Coast Flame]

Mazrim is sending them on behalf of an unknown source

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I tend to agree here with you. So if one kill was mafia, was it Devo22(Mario)
or Bizaro86 (Donkey Kong)

In Mazrims post he added that Kong looked like he put up a fight. Is this a clue?
Vigilante or Serial Killer even so why him or why Devo?
Going through their posts I found nothing of note other than Devo
mentioning starseed as a potential suspect if he was not posting in a informed manner. Did this get him killed?
I cant find anything in Bizaro's posts but I may have missed something.
Why were these two killed other than being townies? Anybody else have a theory?

Devo was identified as suspicious by the MOTs so if I am mafia I don't kill him first as you can get him lynched. Bizaro had more town cred after everyone came off of him.

I can't think of a good reason to kill Bizaro or Devo that wouldn't apply more so to other players. So why were Devo and Bizaro targeted?

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Is it possible that there was someone with a one time night kill ability?

Yes sure but why?
And if so and if that person is townie I sure hope they are in the bathroom doing a Jim Carrey "I'm kicking my own ass"

[East Coast Flame]

In my opinion they were killed with the intention of not being able to be traced back to the mafia - try and pick two totally random town that wouldn't make any sense and we wouldn't have a way to figure out why they were killed.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I have been saying from the start that I think the group is orientation neutral. I don't know why I think that, but Starseed seems to agree with me in not trusting each other. I think the game would be too simple if we were all aligned one way or the other and the membership kept growing and remained visible.

What post are you going off of in saying the bolded above. Starseed only made two posts today none about alignment.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Yes sure but why?
And if so and if that person is townie I sure hope they are in the bathroom doing a Jim Carrey "I'm kicking my own ass"

I'm not sure yet. Possible that a maifa had that ability?

What got me thinking about this was after Mario was killed and his ability was the Jack Of All Trades - gets to be a one shot doctor, one shot cop, one shot vig etc....

[GGG]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Mazrim is sending them on behalf of an unknown source

Do you know if the source is a player in the game or a random game event?

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you know if the source is a player in the game or a random game event?

Not totally sure. There is a leader, but I have no idea who that leader is and whether they are in the game or not.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I'm not sure yet. Possible that a maifa had that ability?

What got me thinking about this was after Mario was killed and his ability was the Jack Of All Trades - gets to be a one shot doctor, one shot cop, one shot vig etc....

I wonder if he killed Bizaro. I wouldn't think so because a town one shot makes sense to hold but a mafia one shot makes sense to use right away.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by GGG

What post are you going off of in saying the bolded above. Starseed only made two posts today none about alignment.

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

No, I don't.

I still suspect GP_Matt to be scum, and nothing in joining the eternals has changed my mind, so I will keep my vote on him.

Sorry, I got the two confused. It is ECF who is also in the Eternals and doesn't trust me.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

In my opinion they were killed with the intention of not being able to be traced back to the mafia - try and pick two totally random town that wouldn't make any sense and we wouldn't have a way to figure out why they were killed.

I agree that the mafia probably picked someone with no ties with them - which also makes me suspicious of Delgar reading into it the way he did. I don't agree that both were targeted by the mafia though. I'm inclined to believe there is a serial killer on top of a mafia group of 5 or so players.

2 mafia groups would be maybe 4 each, so 8 mafia in a group of 22 seems like a lot (in the last with 2 mafia there were 30) and mafia with 2 kills seems overpowered.

I'd wait to see if 2 people die again tonight before being "pretty sure" there's a serial killer though.