‘Leprechaun’ who denied woman a seat on crowded TTC bus shamed on social media

[Nage Waza]

We really don't know anything about the situation, at all, except for a short post event video and her narrative.

Did he stomp on her foot or step on her foot? Did he push her back when she tried to yank his bag off the seat? Did he become violent and push her?

It doesn't matter, this thread proves again that once allegations are made, you might as well throw guilt or innocence out the window. The pitchforks are out in Toronto, I hope this guy deserves it.

[GirlySports]

I don't like this women/men dynamic. The bag should not occupy a seat period. And if it does, it should be removed for a man or a woman. A guy should also be able to ask another guy to move his bag so he could sit down.

Now if you (a guy) are standing with a woman and a seat opens up as someone gets off the bus, sure! offer that empty seat to her. But if you're a guy already sitting you shouldn't get up to give just a woman a seat. It's your seat.

[cracher]

I think the newspaper transcribed the exchange incorrectly: "you’re the one that won’t let people sit down because of your f—king bag.”

After watching the vid, I'm pretty sure she said, "you're the one that won't let people sit down because you're a fV<k!ng fa990t".

If I were a bystander, I don't think I'd lift a finger. Rude vs rude is an everyday big-city thing.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Now if you (a guy) are standing with a woman and a seat opens up as someone gets off the bus, sure! offer that empty seat to her. But if you're a guy already sitting you shouldn't get up to give just a woman a seat. It's your seat.

I can assure you, you may think that but that's not the way it is.... and I live in the armpit of Canada and if decency exist here and can exist anywhere else in this country

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I can assure you, you may think that but that's not the way it is.... and I live in the armpit of Canada and if decency exist here and can exist anywhere else in this country

I will offer my seat on public transit to someone who is elderly; with mobility issues or otherwise disabled; pregnant; or with a stroller and has a child in tow, however I don't think that I would automatically give up my seat just because someone has a uterus. I don't think that I have ever seen that with the possible exception of a white knight bus driver who told a paying customer to give up his seat for a lady. This isn't 1912 and it is not the sinking of the Titanic. I believe that it is absolutely ridiculous to give up a seat on public transit based on the ideals that women are more deserving of a seat. There are plenty of times when I have given up a seat or offered to at the very least, but XX sex chromosomes are not one of the reasons.

[killer_carlson]

anyone else surprised that a guy who wear's his personality on his sleeve has yet to be identified?

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I will offer my seat on public transit to someone who is elderly; with mobility issues or otherwise disabled; pregnant; or with a stroller and has a child in tow, however I don't think that I would automatically give up my seat just because someone has a uterus. I don't think that I have ever seen that with the possible exception of a white knight bus driver who told a paying customer to give up his seat for a lady. This isn't 1912 and it is not the sinking of the Titanic. I believe that it is absolutely ridiculous to give up a seat on public transit based on the ideals that women are more deserving of a seat. There are plenty of times when I have given up a seat or offered to at the very least, but XX sex chromosomes are not one of the reasons.

Are you say that because you wouldn't then that means that it doesn't happen and that my experience and own circumstance is fiction.

I have given up that seat, and I have seen it happen regularly and multiply times and I'm not talking over time... I'm talking on any crowded route from point A to B

[Canuck-Hater]

And now the guy is most likely frightened to leave his house. This is why I hate social media. Sure he was a ###### but I hope this doesn't result in violence.

[DiracSpike]

I never take a seat on transit when it's even remotely busy, there's no need for me at all. When I seat opens up next to me it's funny to look around and see people wondering if I'll snag it and then fight their way through the crowd to sit down. Most of the time it's a woman but when it's guys in their 30s I'm like "really dude?"
Sure the guy is probably an arse but it seems the whole situation could have been diffused by one person just giving up their seat somewhere else on the bus.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I can assure you, you may think that but that's not the way it is.... and I live in the armpit of Canada and if decency exist here and can exist anywhere else in this country

Nope, sorry. Unless you're pregnant, disabled, or elderly, no dice.

Most women would tell you they don't expect to be given free seating on the bus by men. Those that do expect it have a bad attitude and don't deserve to be rewarded for it regardless.

Anyway, this Leprechaun guy is a ######. I expect the holy warriors of reddit and 4chan will see to it this guy gets what's coming to him soon.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Are you say that because you wouldn't then that means that it doesn't happen and that my experience and own circumstance is fiction.

I have given up that seat, and I have seen it happen regularly and multiply times and I'm not talking over time... I'm talking on any crowded route from point A to B

I didn't say that your experience was fiction, just that I have never seen anyone do that or at least I have never paid enough attention to or put enough emphasis on the events to merit recollection.

I would like to hear the logic behind giving a woman a seat, other than tradition that it.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

Where exactly did I say it was okay for what he did to her? My point is she got unreasonably upset over a person who denied her a seat. However, I can understand why she would be upset if he denied her a seat, then proceeded to push and stomp on her foot.

We live in a society if a person doesn't do any favors for you, and don't get what we want, they're automatically labelled an rude, inconsiderate #######.

Actually, she got reasonably upset over a dickbag who was denying everyone a seat.

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I can't believe people just sit and watch other people act this way. How does no one else confront this clown?

I forget if there is a term for it, but there is a real pyschological effect where people in groups usually get locked into inaction because they hope or expect someone else will take the lead. Often in cases where someone is an accident or injury, for example, most people will respond to directions - no matter where they come from - so long as someone else is taking the lead.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I forget if there is a term for it, but there is a real pyschological effect where people in groups usually get locked into inaction because they hope or expect someone else will take the lead. Often in cases where someone is an accident or injury, for example, most people will respond to directions - no matter where they come from - so long as someone else is taking the lead.

The term you're looking for is diffusion of responsibility.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Most of the time it's a woman but when it's guys in their 30s I'm like "really dude?"

What is so outrageous about a dude wanting to sit down on a train or bus? I'm not understanding this.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

And now the guy is most likely frightened to leave his house. This is why I hate social media. Sure he was a ###### but I hope this doesn't result in violence.

Guy was an ass for sure, but one day someone is literally going to be killed over this social media shaming. It's just a matter of time.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The term you're looking for is diffusion of responsibility.

That is it, thanks!

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Guy was an ass for sure, but one day someone is literally going to be killed over this social media shaming. It's just a matter of time.

See also Amanda Todd, etc.

You're probably right, but I am not sure what the solution is. Shaming and embarrassment is actually a normal human attitude. Society's way of encouraging expected behaviour. Social media tends to take what once had only a local and short term impact and turn it into global with longer term implications.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I didn't say that your experience was fiction, just that I have never seen anyone do that or at least I have never paid enough attention to or put enough emphasis on the events to merit recollection.

I would like to hear the logic behind giving a woman a seat, other than tradition that it.

logic is irrelevant, I'm just say it happens and happens regularity. Now I'm not talking extremes like CP like do use, for example and since one woman enters a bus then all males then stand up and offer their seat.... but what I'm saying is that taking a bus crowded route from point A to point B you will in fact see not only once but other times where someone gives up their seat to a woman.

There's many reasons why I do so and tradition isn't one of them. There's isn't a hard fast rule for whom or when to give up that seat, but rather just a simple understanding that maybe that person could use the seat more then yourself. But it's a rare bird to see it go the other way (but does happen)

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I didn't say that your experience was fiction, just that I have never seen anyone do that or at least I have never paid enough attention to or put enough emphasis on the events to merit recollection.

I would like to hear the logic behind giving a woman a seat, other than tradition that it.

I agree, I rarely see that sort of thing anymore. Chivalry is basically dead, not completely but it's on life support for sure. I know a feminist who says it's sexist to offer a seat on a bus just because someone is a woman. Not sure how many people think this way, but she's pretty vocal about that kind of stuff but I find it's best to err on the side of caution myself. People basically have to walk on egg shells over every little thing these days because there's no telling what will offend somebody, even with the best of intentions.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I agree, I rarely see that sort of thing anymore. Chivalry is basically dead, not completely but it's on life support for sure. I know a feminist who says it's sexist to offer a seat on a bus just because someone is a woman. Not sure how many people think this way, but she's pretty vocal about that kind of stuff but I find it's best to err on the side of caution myself. People basically have to walk on egg shells over every little thing these days because there's no telling what will offend somebody, even with the best of intentions.

I can understand why someone would think that it would be sexist, it isn't as though women are incapable of standing for a period of time. Maybe general politeness towards everyone regardless of gender (something the guy on the TTC bus didn't do) should be promoted and thus you wouldn't have to walk on eggshells.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I agree, I rarely see that sort of thing anymore. Chivalry is basically dead, not completely but it's on life support for sure. I know a feminist who says it's sexist to offer a seat on a bus just because someone is a woman. Not sure how many people think this way, but she's pretty vocal about that kind of stuff but I find it's best to err on the side of caution myself. People basically have to walk on egg shells over every little thing these days because there's no telling what will offend somebody, even with the best of intentions.

Re: the bolded part - isn't it sexist? Why would you give up your seat just because someone is a woman? Are women too weak to stand up on the bus?

Would you give up your seat to a man just because he's a man?