Jamesons Pub defends bouncers after video shows them punching patron

[terminator]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

No, the poster said he didn't drink back then, therefore he wouldn't have been spending money.


I worked as a doorman at a couple places during University here in Calgary. I had to take training on effective holds and how to safely escort unruly customers out without excess force. We had officers from the remand center run this course each year.

I worked for the U of C, if anyone hit a patron they would be fired unless there was no other recourse. In 5 years of working door, and concerts I never saw any bouncer hit a patron. There was one incident that I didn't see, but the bouncer was immediately fired.

I worked at a couple other bars here and there and didn't ever see a bouncer hit anyone or act racist. There are bouncers that are racist ego maniacs, but that certainly isn't all of them. Terminator had a couple bad experiences from the sounds of but I think everyone has run into issues with people in every service job, bartenders, servers, etc..

Sounds like the doormen were justified in this situation, they probably could have let up, but I certainly don't feel bad for the drunk moron.

Its tought being 18-20 in a mixed bunch of friends who can't gain enterence to a venue due to a few of the group who are'nt white...... sucks.

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Not slapping, palm strikes. Palm strikes are just as effective and you don't break your hand.
Maybe instead of being hostile take a second to think about the post.

http://www.your-krav-maga-expert.com...-Striking.html

Read your own posts. You said it was "illegal" not "just as effective".

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

No, the poster said he didn't drink back then, therefore he wouldn't have been spending money.

Yeah it's true, I've often been caught unable to enter a club because I said "No" to the notorious bouncer question "ARE YOU HERE TO DRINK Y/N?"

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Oh no, the loss of a customer who wasn't going to spend any money anyway.

Seriously?

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by terminator

Its tought being 18-20 in a mixed bunch of friends who can't gain enterence to a venue due to a few of the group who are'nt white...... sucks.

I agree with you that's garbage. I never encountered that at any of the places I worked, but they also weren't big night club type places either. Those morons aren't representative of everyone.

As for the comment on not spending money, I just took it as a comment on the fact that you said you didn't drink, not a comment on why you were turned away. I may have interpreted it differently.

[Dion]

The patron, a 44-year-old journeyman sheet metal worker named Jim Clement, has now stepped forward to explain his side of the altercation, which left him with a missing tooth, 15 stitches to close gashes to his forehead, a separated shoulder, bruises and blood filled eyes.

Clement says he has no qualms with the doormen acting to restrain him after he drunkenly decided to confront one with a punch — but he says the beating he received was far beyond reasonable.

“I was wrong to run back and strike him, but I wasn’t so wrong as to deserve what I got in return,” said Clement.

Instead of being belligerent, Clement says he and his friend Adam Robertson remained at their table chatting, racking up a $150 bar tab and even having shooters with the bar manager before the trouble started.

But things went downhill as they left the bar — the manager apparently being unfriendly over some perceived slight at the smoke doors — and Clement says one of the doormen called him a nasty name as he exited the establishment, a small skirmish ensued.

Shortly after, as Clement walked to another bar, the same doorman gave him a glare — and so Clement drunkenly charged.

“That wasn’t smart,” said Clement.

He denies threats were made, as claimed by Jamesons, or that he’d caused any problems inside the bar, where he’d been 10 or 15 times since moving to the area.

So far, police have not called to hear his side of the story, seemingly taking the bar’s side — but Clement is speaking with a lawyer, and he says he plans to take legal action to ensure the truth comes out.

“They’re saying I’m harassing and groping women? That’s slander right there, and I’m embarrassed and disgusted that they could even say that,” said Clement.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/09/07...ter-man-beaten

[jayswin]

I'd love to just believe the bar and bouncer's story and say he deserved it, but I know too many of these guys and have seen too much criminal (assault) incidents with too many of these dummies to take any bouncer/bar's word for any of these incidents.

Too many of them get away with being bullies and thugs, and they always back each other up in what "happened". They've got a perfect alibi that allows them to say whatever they want; "He was drunk". It's really not that uncommon. I remember seeing a bouncer being restrained by other bouncers as he was obviously coked up, jumping up and down, yelling "let me bounce someone!, I wanna bounce someone!".

[GirlySports]

he deserved it, and I support bouncers keeping these places safe.

[jayswin]

Yep, and they love that this is the general attitude towards bouncing, so they can "have some fun". (Actual quote)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Yep, and they love that this is the general attitude towards bouncing, so they can "have some fun". (Actual quote)

I'd still rather they sometimes go to the rough side then the lenient side. There's no room for troublemakers in pubs. Bouncers have protected me on more than one occasion.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'd still rather they sometimes go to the rough side then the lenient side. There's no room for troublemakers in pubs. Bouncers have protected me on more than one occasion.

People will say go rough until it happens to them. Two bouncers had him pinned with witnesses saying the repeated punches to the head were excessive.

I'm not surprised that bouncers get the benefit of the doubt. It's much the same when police use excessive force on people they arrest.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

he deserved it, and I support bouncers keeping these places safe.

You need to get out more...bars are far from safe.


Alcohol with either testosterone or a wired woman = problems.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Dion

People will say go rough until it happens to them. Two bouncers had him pinned with witnesses saying the repeated punches to the head were excessive.

I'm not surprised that bouncers get the benefit of the doubt. It's much the same when police use excessive force on people they arrest.

He was already a problem. He shouldn't have come back.

They need to protect angels like me

[T@T]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He was already a problem. He shouldn't have come back.

They need to protect angels like me

Why do I get the feeling there's been a few problems created in bars because your such an angel.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He was already a problem. He shouldn't have come back.

They need to protect angels like me

He didn't deserve a seperated shoulder, lost tooth and cuts and bruises. Anyway it's probably pointless arguing this further.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by T@T

Why do I get the feeling there's been a few problems created in bars because your such an angel.

Drunk guys think they can do anything.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Drunk guys think they can do anything.

I remember my sister telling me she once gave some drunk guy a knee to the groin when he was being a pest. She said the sight of a drunk on the floor in pain sent out a strong message.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Dion

I remember my sister telling me she once gave some drunk guy a knee to the groin when he was being a pest. She said the sight of a drunk on the floor in pain sent out a strong message.

I'm too small.

How about Canuck fans? Once a group of girls and I (in Flames jerseys) were watching the Flames in our own bar, in our own city and were getting harassed by a couple of Canuck fans. The bartender and bouncer took care of that.

[Galakanokis]

I've bounced before, couple of years on and off in Edmonton in the late 90's.some big clubs, Thunder Done, Cowboys and some strip clubs. When an altercation with a bouncer ensues nobody likes good, period. But the way I see it is if the "victim" doesn't act like an ass and come back at the bouncer nothing happens. I never started a fight but I was sure as hell going to stop it, quickly. Sometimes the beating one guy took was a message to the rest of dip####s that this crap is not tolerated.

I'm not giving the bouncers a free pass, don't know enough of the case but I trust the cops judgement s well. In general, if you want trouble from a bouncer you're probably not going to like the results. Swallow your pride and walk away.