A small portion of that settlement should be paid to Naslund for the pain and suffering he endured from the elbow he took in the head on a play where Moore had no intention of playing the puck. I think Moore deserves the settlement and that what happened to him was wrong and unfortunate but he's no saint himself.
Hockey has been waiting a decade for this thing to go away, because hockey didn’t want to know where it could go. Bertuzzi later filed a third-party lawsuit against Crawford, his then-coach, who Bertuzzi said put Moore’s number on a board and said he must pay a price. In one of the depositions where Bertuzzi actually answered questions — he didn’t always — he said he was worried that if he didn’t fight Moore, it would have been a pretty long week for him. Why? Because Crawford would have challenged him in a meeting.
That suit was eventually dropped, and Moore’s lawyer found out that Bertuzzi, Crawford and Orca Bay Entertainment had agreed on sharing any future liability.
A small portion of that settlement should be paid to Naslund for the pain and suffering he endured from the elbow he took in the head on a play where Moore had no intention of playing the puck. I think Moore deserves the settlement and that what happened to him was wrong and unfortunate but he's no saint himself.
I should get something too, for suffering all the stupid comments that resulted.
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A small portion of that settlement should be paid to Naslund for the pain and suffering he endured from the elbow he took in the head on a play where Moore had no intention of playing the puck. I think Moore deserves the settlement and that what happened to him was wrong and unfortunate but he's no saint himself.
Yeah... Naslund's career was cut short in his rookie year and his head was so messed up, that he couldn't even make decent use of his Harvard degree to make a living. He certainly deserves a piece of this... oh wait...
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No kidding. People crying the way you are got old in 2005, Stanathan. Time for you to grow up and move on.
I'm not crying about anything and I wasn't part of CP in 2005. You don't know me and therefore under the rules of the forum I would appreciate some respect.
At no point have I said Moore doesn't deserve what he is getting in settlement, I have said as much a few posts in the past.
EDIT: Nifty quick edit on your original post Resolute where you actually said "stanathan your crying got old in 2005".
Pain, suffering & lost & future wages - yes - that's what the civil suit was about. Feel free to voice your tin-foiled hat version of events. I'm all ears.
And my god - naslund was the victim of a PENALTY. Yes, Moore should have gotten a penalty on the play and if it took place in these new modern times - he would have had a suspension too, but to compare what happened to Naslund to what happened to Moore is insane, crazy talk and everyone here knows it.
A small portion of that settlement should be paid to Naslund for the pain and suffering he endured from the elbow he took in the head on a play where Moore had no intention of playing the puck. I think Moore deserves the settlement and that what happened to him was wrong and unfortunate but he's no saint himself.
Go back and watch the hit, the elbow was tucked til long after contact. For the last time, the hit was clean, the NHL reviewed it and stated it.
EDIT: Nifty quick edit on your original post Resolute where you actually said "stanathan your crying got old in 2005".
Actually, my original said "your style of crying got old in 2005". I edited to add clarity to the fact that I wasn't intending to mean you specifically, but rather the Canuck fan-esque rationalizations in defence of Bertuzzi that have consistently degraded the topic.
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I'm not comparing it. I said clearly more than once that Moore is entitled to his settlement. I am also saying that his position is that players on the ice who are injured at the hands of others in a non accidental incident deserve compensation so therefore he should be paying the players he hurt. It's a very fair and rational opinion.
Actually, my original said "your style of crying got old in 2005". I edited to add clarity to the fact that I wasn't intending to mean you specifically, but rather the Canuck fan-esque rationalizations in defence of Bertuzzi that have consistently degraded the topic.
I'm not a Canucks fan, I am a Flames fan, I do not like Bertuzzi and I am not defending him, he deserves to pay, stop making assumptions and putting words in my mouth.
Also, just because there was no penalty and the arm wasn't tucked in doesn't mean he didn't target Naslund's head with no intention of playing the puck and cause a concussion. Separate events in my mind and both should come with a payout to the injured party, one should just pay more than the other.
I'm not comparing it. I said clearly more than once that Moore is entitled to his settlement. I am also saying that his position is that players on the ice who are injured at the hands of others in a non accidental incident deserve compensation so therefore he should be paying the players he hurt. It's a very fair and rational opinion.
*sigh* I feel like I am just feeding a troll, but no, your viewpoint is not a "fair and rational opinion". Catching a guy with his head down with a clean hit is something that has long been an accepted risk of playing the sport. Bertuzzi's actions were not at any point in hockey's history an accepted risk of playing the sport. That, incidentally, is a major reason why he pleaded guilty to a charge of assault. There is no comparison between the two plays whatsoever, and your effort to try and equate the two is grossly offensive.
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I don't feel those hits whether clean or not that cause concussions should be acceptable and treated as "well it's always been done that way so let's keep doing it that way". I think injuring someone on the ice where there is pain and suffering should come at a cost.
You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that, I am entitled to mine, please offer the same respect.
Face facts, Stanathan. Any injury Naslund suffered was a result of his own foolish lack of awareness. And there is a vast difference between respecting your right to an opinion and respecting the opinion itself. Ridiculous viewpoints deserve to be called out as being ridiculous.
Face facts, Stanathan. Any injury Naslund suffered was a result of his own foolish lack of awareness. And there is a vast difference between respecting your right to an opinion and respecting the opinion itself. Ridiculous viewpoints deserve to be called out as being ridiculous.
Call it out, I'm fine with that and you have every right to.
Telling other posters to "grow up" like you did in this thread on a forum like this or in any capacity only reflects on you and the weight in which someone should consider your opinion. I think you're better than that, you might consider taking things like that out of your debating repertoire.
By the standards of 2003-04, Moore's hit on Naslund was clean and didn't deserve a suspension. By today's standards, Moore probably would have received a penalty and likely a short suspension.
Naslund missed three games due to the concussion. When he returned, he put up 16 points in the Canucks' final 19 games. He had 9 points in 7 games in the playoffs that season. He also played for Sweden at the World Cup in the summer of 2004. After the lockout, he returned to the NHL and played four more seasons, missing only one game in those four seasons.
His point totals declined every season after the lockout, but he was 32 years-old in the season after the lockout, and most players see their numbers drop every season after the age of 30. It's not like he was 25 and in his prime before the hit and his numbers went to hell immediately afterward.
Naslund signed two contracts, worth $26 million, after getting hit by Moore (I believe he left $4 million on the table when he retired, so he was paid $22 million for those 4 seasons).
It's hard to argue that Moore's hit caused Naslund any significant hardship.
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