Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What if you and the kids are cleaning up grandpa's attic and come across his old shotgun?

The child is out of your supervision but has a friend who has access to a firearm that they shouldn't.

I agree with you, but it's for the scenarios where supervision isn't available. Kids shouldn't be picking up needles on the ground either, but I'm going to inform them that while all parts of the needle can be dangerous, the tip is especially dangerous.

Kids i'm with still come and get me if there's something they think is dangerous.

I don't think education is ever harmful for those instances.

Hopefully grandpa was smart enough not to keep a loaded shotgun in the attic(or anywhere in the house) unfortunately this isn't the case all too often.

Young kids should be taught that guns are "bad" and to run from them and teenagers should be taught how to respect them. but gun culture somehow trys to make them fun.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I saw this in the news last night. Some kid (i think she is 9 years old) was at the gun range with the instructor. She tried the pistol and was okay with one shot. Then the instructor gave her an automatic and she start firing but couldn't control the gun. She ended up shooting the instructor in the head and killed him. Poor kid will think about that accident for the rest of her life.

Poor kid?? What about the instructor?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Poor kid?? What about the instructor?

Yeah... Poor kid. At first glance, the instructor earned a Darwin Award. The kid has to live with the fact that she killed someone. Not sure why she was at a gun range to begin with, but yeah. Poor kid.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

You do understand that in Canada minors are allowed to fire guns with proper supervision right?

This whole thing is 100% negligence on the part of the instructor. It's obvious she can't even hold the gun, let alone control in, before she fires a single round.



So just because you don't have a reason for one, it means there is no reason for other people not to have or use them. Got it.

Do you also feel that unless someone is a professional racer, there is no reason to own a high horsepower vehicle?

Proper supervision, you mean like at a gun range with an instructor?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

LOL. These are all oversized, cheap, plastic airsoft guns and not real guns. This is likely a mis-attributed photo from a panicking parent picked up by lazy/bad NY Daily News tabloid journalists. I don't see any evidence it's actually from the NRA as they would make fun of these as being "toys". Note the white plastic BB's everywhere, orange tips, and the batteries for the rifles.

Hey, I just typed in NRA + youth into google images and this is one of many pictures that came up.
Even though the link where it comes from seems dead, it sure doesn't look like it's from lazy/bad NY Daily News tabloid journalists

http://pridenation.com/magazine/nras...y-was-a-blast/

pridenation.com seems a bit like something gun nuts would relate to
and
nras-youth-day-was-a-blast seems like people who like to mix their children with guns.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So just because you don't have a reason for one, it means there is no reason for other people not to have or use them. Got it.

Do you also feel that unless someone is a professional racer, there is no reason to own a high horsepower vehicle?

Yeah, because the out of control gun culture in the USA is centered around hunting and target shooting. That's why most people in the US own guns and that is what the NRA is fighting for.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

This whole thing is 100% negligence on the part of the instructor. It's obvious she can't even hold the gun, let alone control in, before she fires a single round.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Proper supervision, you mean like at a gun range with an instructor?

Whiteout is correct, IMO. The second thing I thought when I saw that video (the first was what the ####?) is this girl has had no training or certification prior stepping on the range.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Whiteout is correct, IMO. The second thing I thought when I saw that video (the first was what the ####?) is this girl has had no training or certification prior stepping on the range.

There's no way for a child that young to safely handle the recoil of a weapon like that.

One reason people keep mentioning in this thread that they started out with a .22 is because it would be stupid to give a child anything bigger because they're going to hurt themselves just shooting the damned thing, not because they are going to do less damage to whatever they hit with a .22.

There is definitely a darwin award for the instructor for putting a mac10/uzi whatever it is in the hands of a kid.

That kid shouldn't be handling a drill or a saw, let alone a firearm.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

There's no way for a child that young to safely handle the recoil of a weapon like that.

One reason people keep mentioning in this thread that they started out with a .22 is because it would be stupid to give a child anything bigger because they're going to hurt themselves just shooting the damned thing, not because they are going to do less damage to whatever they hit with a .22.

There is definitely a darwin award for the instructor for putting a mac10/uzi whatever it is in the hands of a kid.

That kid shouldn't be handling a drill or a saw, let alone a firearm.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't condone or agree with a child handling a weapon like that. In fact, I think I have been pretty clear in my support of gun control.

That being said it is obvious that this is the first time, or near first time this kids has put her hands on the weapon. She has no idea of a firing stance (he has to adjust her). Had she had "dry" training with the weapon she would not have needed that much correction.

[Flash Walken]

yep, sorry ucb, I understood you perfectly, was trying to support your point.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

yep, sorry ucb, I understood you perfectly, was trying to support your point.

it appears that the comprehension fail is on me.....

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Poor kid?? What about the instructor?

Instructor was obviously one of those gun nuts who thought allowing a nine year old to handle an uzi was a good idea cause 'proper supervision'. Yeah, how'd that work out for him?

And those are always the types (read ALWAYS) that think giving kids weapons training proves their sideways political ideals are correct. Otherwise, really, why would you do it other than to prove that idea to yourself and your society. Nine might be to young for any gun, it's definitely too young for that firepower.

So yeah, zero sympathy for the instuctor. He created the situation. Do feel bad for the girl, though maybe she can turn it into a positive in the future by speaking out about the horrible judgement her parents and instructor and so many Americans have about firearms that she had to deal with first hand.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

You do understand that in Canada minors are allowed to fire guns with proper supervision right?

This whole thing is 100% negligence on the part of the instructor. It's obvious she can't even hold the gun, let alone control in, before she fires a single round.



So just because you don't have a reason for one, it means there is no reason for other people not to have or use them. Got it.

Do you also feel that unless someone is a professional racer, there is no reason to own a high horsepower vehicle?

Uzi's too?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

This whole thing is 100% negligence on the part of the instructor. It's obvious she can't even hold the gun, let alone control in, before she fires a single round.

Your forgetting the two( likely 2) very stupid people should take the biggest blame in this.

[Resolute 14]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0HD2RJ20140918

Eight people, six children, killed in north Florida. Probable murder-suicide.

[Acey]

Couple sources including CTV saying 6 adults, 2 children. Looking for another source.

[PIMking]

that's not to far from the University of Florida. since when are family murder suicides a "mass shooting"?

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by PIMking

that's not to far from the University of Florida. since when are family murder suicides a "mass shooting"?

8 people are dead, and we're going to split hairs about whether it belongs in this thread? Really?

[Acey]

8 people getting shot and killed qualifies as a mass shooting to me.

[Acey]

Confirmed, 6 kids dead. Damn.