Leafs sign Santorelli, 1 year $1.5 mil

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's very one-dimensional.

You mean nothing but a solid penalty killer?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Very arguable that Raymond is "Better" overall. He's very one-dimensional.

Nah... The Leafs terrible coach just makes the entire team play one dimension.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You mean nothing but a solid penalty killer?

Santorelli last season:

49 10 18 28 +9

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Nah... The Leafs terrible coach just makes the entire team play one dimension.

Carlyle is terrible no doubt.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am curious as to why the Nucks didn't re-sign him

he wanted term from the Canucks

he made it pretty clear he wanted to stay too

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-in-vancouver/

I think he just doesn't fit in the roster this year, hope he does well in Toronto

I have a feeling his numbers last year might have been a bit of an outlier though

[Ped]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

he wanted term from the Canucks

he made it pretty clear he wanted to stay too

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-in-vancouver/

I think he just doesn't fit in the roster this year, hope he does well in Toronto

I have a feeling his numbers last year might have been a bit of an outlier though

His only 2 decent seasons came where he had zero expectations placed on him.

In his first 32 games, 3 points.

Then a 41 point season.

Then 15 points in 94 games over 2 seasons.

Then last years decent showing.

If the Leafs are counting on him to provide a punch I think there are going to be disappointed.

But of course, now that he's on the Leafs and Raymond isn't, hes better.

[maxpower29]

Originally Posted by Ped

His only 2 decent seasons came where he had zero expectations placed on him.

In his first 32 games, 3 points.

Then a 41 point season.

Then 15 points in 94 games over 2 seasons.

Then last years decent showing.

If the Leafs are counting on him to provide a punch I think there are going to be disappointed.

But of course, now that he's on the Leafs and Raymond isn't, hes better.

I have no idea how good Santorelli is, because I have not watched him, but dear god if your expecting anything from Raymond you will be disappointed. He is a 3rd line player who benefited from being pushed up to play 2nd line. Im so glad hes not back with toronto because hes honestly not that good. I know its dumb to bash a new UFA to a team who just signed him, because you guys are excited about him playing, but within a few months you will hate that contract no doubt

[maxpower29]

Originally Posted by Komskies

Kind of sad in a way how the Leafs are stuck taking everybody's leftovers.

This is actually hilarious coming from a flames fan. Your team is littered with players nobody else wanted. Stajan, Raymond, Hudler, Smid, Bollig, and colborne. Dont act like your organization has anything the talk about right now, because your a long, LONG way from being competitive to where people want to play there

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by maxpower29

This is actually hilarious coming from a flames fan. Your team is littered with players nobody else wanted. Stajan, Raymond, Hudler, Smid, Bollig, and colborne. Dont act like your organization has anything the talk about right now, because your a long, LONG way from being competitive to where people want to play there

Yup. The irony was not lost on me.

Also, aren't the majority of these UFA's "Other Teams' Leftovers"?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

WE got him for a million. That was a good deal. He's soft and useless.

interesting....dont know which scouting report of yours i should believe now.....hmmm

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...7&postcount=16

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

interesting....dont know which scouting report of yours i should believe now.....hmmm

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...7&postcount=16

"He's looked great in training camp/preseason. Great pick-up. A cheap replacement for Macarthur."

Notice my excitement over him being "Cheap"? That falls-line with my comments in this thread stating he was ok for a million. In fact, his stats exceeded Macarthur's from the previous season for less money.

If he got 3 million for 3 years, my post would not have existed.

All I see is consistent posts.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

"He's looked great in training camp/preseason. Great pick-up. A cheap replacement for Macarthur."

Notice my excitement over him being "Cheap"? That falls-line with my comments in this thread stating he was ok for a million. In fact, his stats exceeded Macarthur's from the previous season for less money.

If he got 3 million for 3 years, my post would not have existed.

All I see is consistent posts.

Oh yeah...your posts are consistent allright...consistently seen though thick leaf goggles.

Last year Raymond was "great in training camp/preseason. Great pick-up."

But now that he is somewhere else?

He is...."very one-dimensional. ", "not very good" and..."soft and useless".

Regardless of what he is being paid...those are very very contradictoy statements about the player.

What a joke.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Oh yeah...your posts are consistent allright...consistently seen though thick leaf goggles.

Last year Raymond was "great in training camp/preseason. Great pick-up."

But now that he is somewhere else?

He is...."very one-dimensional. ", "not very good" and..."soft and useless".

Regardless of what he is being paid...those are very very contradictoy statements about the player.

What a joke.

I've already explained this. He was a solid pickup for 1 million. for 9 million over 3 years, not so much. Why can't you get this?

And you can't say "Regardless what they are being paid". That is a huge issue in evaluating a player.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I've already explained this. He was a solid pickup for 1 million. for 9 million over 3 years, not so much. Why can't you get this?

And you can't say "Regardless what they are being paid". That is a huge issue in evaluating a player.

And you viewed him as a replacement for MacArthur, so obviously you regarded him as a top 6 player.

How has this big of a Leafs homer survived for so long?

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by maxpower29

This is actually hilarious coming from a flames fan. Your team is littered with players nobody else wanted. Stajan, Raymond, Hudler, Smid, Bollig, and colborne. Dont act like your organization has anything the talk about right now, because your a long, LONG way from being competitive to where people want to play there

Yes - because players changing teams means that nobody wants them. I'm sure no other GM would want Smid, Hudler, Stajan or Bollig, on their team. By your rationale what exactly is Frattin, Komarov, Phaneuf, JVR, Kessel and Franson then? At some point, teams traded or let those guys go so that must mean they are not wanted around the league? That's a joke.

Also - just so you are aware, this is a Flames board so yeah you are going to hear a lot of pro Flames talk. This may come as a surprise to you.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I've already explained this. He was a solid pickup for 1 million. for 9 million over 3 years, not so much. Why can't you get this?

And you can't say "Regardless what they are being paid". That is a huge issue in evaluating a player.

Actually, finances only go into evaluating a players worth, not if they're "soft" or "useless."

A player is the exact same amount of "soft" or "useless" regardless of whether he makes 1 million or 10.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I've already explained this. He was a solid pickup for 1 million. for 9 million over 3 years, not so much. Why can't you get this?

And you can't say "Regardless what they are being paid". That is a huge issue in evaluating a player.

It actually, and quite literally, has NOTHING to do when evaluating a player....zero...zip...nada.

It has eveything to do with how he fits on any given team in any given role, but as to his actual abilities it means bupkus. Value vs how a player actually plays are entirely different things.


Your exposed...its all good.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It actually, and quite literally, has NOTHING to do when evaluating a player....zero...zip...nada.

It has eveything to do with how he fits on any given team in any given role, but as to his actual abilities it means bupkus. Value vs how a player actually plays are entirely different things.


Your exposed...its all good.

Salary has nothing to do with evaluating a player? Seriously?

I'm "Exposed: sure..

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

And you viewed him as a replacement for MacArthur, so obviously you regarded him as a top 6 player.

How has this big of a Leafs homer survived for so long?

Incorrect. Macarthur became a 3rd liner in 2013' for the Leafs.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Salary has nothing to do with evaluating a player? Seriously?

I'm "Exposed: sure..

transplant99 clearly explains why, what is it you're missing?