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jayswin · 07-03-2014, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Darren Haynes (if you aren't following him you should) had a great blog post on this a while back

http://flamesfrom80feet.blogspot.ca/...on-player.html

I wonder if he's got an account here? Expose yourself Darren!!

Parallex · 07-03-2014, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I think you'll see Treliving keep his word on 3 year deals, with a higher average.

We're not talking about 30+ year old UFA's here... you'll want to lock them up longer then three. I'd guess 3.0-3.5 (Stajan level money) AAV 4 year term for Backlund and 5.0-5.25 AAV 5 year term for Brodie.

Might even go a year longer on each as I have a lot of confidence in those two and that money will be a great deal by the time it's done.

nik- · 07-03-2014, 08:29 PM

I was hoping Backlund's last contract was going to be 4 years at 2 or 2.5 per, but he's likely done giving us cheap short deals. Brodie's comparable right now is Josi ... so yeah.

flamesfan1297 · 07-03-2014, 08:30 PM

Brodie-4.5x3 and then can always go up from there
Backlund-3.5x3. Stajan makes 3.15? And I think Backlund is worth more than that

transplant99 · 07-03-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

He was part of one of the best defensive pairings in the league last season. His advanced stats are fantastic.

Teams, nor arbitrators, decide value based on "advanced stats"...ever.

Parallex · 07-03-2014, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

Brodie-4.5x3 and then can always go up from there

I'd rather buy out at least two free agency years. More savings that way.

transplant99 · 07-03-2014, 08:37 PM

I think you see Brodie sign a 2 year bridge deal....likely something around 3.75 per

Backlund is a little trickier...may wait to see if he is what he looked like the latter half of the year...if so he is looking at 4 per for 4 IMO....if not, he will be on another 1 yr deal/2 max.

Parallex · 07-03-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Teams, nor arbitrators, decide value based on "advanced stats"...ever.

So what? He's a fantastic player that we should lock-up for a long time.

transplant99 · 07-03-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

So what? He's a fantastic player that we should lock-up for a long time.

Fine...but you dont start throwing 5 million a year at a guy that has played 1 full NHL season.

There is no risk in a bridge deal whatsoever either...if he continues his progress he wil get paid in the summer of 16, and get "locked up" for a long time as well.

Whats the rush?

Beatle17 · 07-03-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by indes

After Engellands contract Brodie is going to be looking for at least 4 and I think Backlunds contract will end up being a direct relation to how he performs in relation to Stajan

An RFA player CAN NOT use a UFA contract for a comparable. They can utilize contracts signed by other RFA's. Two completely different parameters to use for contracts so I wish everyone would quit using this "well Engelland to this much" garbage.

Vedder · 07-03-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Teams, nor arbitrators, decide value based on "advanced stats"...ever.

I'm not sure why advanced stats would excluded from an arbitration session, especially in the case of Brodie where his agent could make a pretty compelling case about his value. Also, all teams use some form of advanced analytics to determine players value, even if they aren't the exact ones quoted all the time now.

HOWITZER · 07-03-2014, 08:42 PM

Let me get this straight. You want to give extensions to 2 guys who are still on contract as of this moment for 2 and 3 more years, respectively?

First and foremost, I doubt either of the players would be interested in that. They're each too far removed from playing for a contract, and it's not in their best interest to be pursuing an extension this far from the end of their contract.

As well, what incentive does Calgary have to do it? If, and only if, Bennett turns into a decent top 6 centre, and he is not rushed or flops like can sometimes happen, Backlund would be pushed to a 3C. There's no telling at this point what a 3C will be worth in two years time, so why do that?

I just think it's far too premature to be making those decisions on players that we all hope slide down the depth chart as higher-ceiling prospects begin to take bigger roles with the club. Just my $0.02

transplant99 · 07-03-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vedder

I'm not sure why advanced stats would excluded from an arbitration session, especially in the case of Brodie where his agent could make a pretty compelling case about his value. Also, all teams use some form of advanced analytics to determine players value, even if they aren't the exact ones quoted all the time now.

Because they simply are NOT recognized as a way to evaluate individual talent. Comparables in arb come soley from similar aged guys with similar offensive and defensive stats and similar contracts. Most "analytical" stats are not transferable/comparable to others across the league but moreso vs those who they played with.

Its just how i understand it to happen, and thats from guys who would know.....unless it has changed since last year but i highly doubt that is the case....and im sure we would have heard of such from one of the pinheads on radio/tv who live and die by such stuff.

DOOM · 07-03-2014, 08:57 PM

Brodie's next contract either needs to be long term or have him still being an RFA at the end of the it.

EldrickOnIce · 07-03-2014, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Because they simply are NOT recognized as a way to evaluate individual talent. Comparables in arb come soley from similar aged guys with similar offensive and defensive stats and similar contracts. Most "analytical" stats are not transferable/comparable to others across the league but moreso vs those who they played with.

Its just how i understand it to happen, and thats from guys who would know.....unless it has changed since last year but i highly doubt that is the case....and im sure we would have heard of such from one of the pinheads on radio/tv who live and die by such stuff.

You are correct. They are not used because it's basically an invented number that does not necessarily correlate into anything. If it did Jussi Jokinen would be the highest paid player in the NHL.
Corsi was designed to show how much work a goaltender did in a game, when deciding to use in back to back games. There might only be 18 shots on goal, but 50 directed at the net, so a tender must be set for every shot and therefore more worked than 18 shots would indicate.
It has very recently been used to indicate possession / driving offense - and some day some form of it may be used, but it isn't now. Which metric would you use anyway? Corsi Fenwick (close or relative) WOWY Vollman's sledgehammer etc

Ashasx · 07-03-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

I think you see Brodie sign a 2 year bridge deal....likely something around 3.75 per

Backlund is a little trickier...may wait to see if he is what he looked like the latter half of the year...if so he is looking at 4 per for 4 IMO....if not, he will be on another 1 yr deal/2 max.

Brodie is on his bridge deal right now.

transplant99 · 07-03-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Brodie is on his bridge deal right now.

No he isnt.

He has played 1 full NHL season...bridge deals happen after that and before signing long term.

Fire · 07-03-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

I think you see Brodie sign a 2 year bridge deal....likely something around 3.75 per

If I'm not mistaken Brodie can walk away as a UFA after a 2 year deal extension. That would be a big mistake imo. Plus I consider his current contract the bridge contract. It's time for the 5+ year contract.

Ashasx · 07-03-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

No he isnt.

He has played 1 full NHL season...bridge deals happen after that and before signing long term.

A bridge deal occurs between an ELC and a long term contract. That is where Brodie is at at this point in his career.

His current contract is his bridge deal. He will be looking for a long-term contract after this.

He also has almost 200 NHL games played. Let's not act like he just finished his rookie season. He will be at 250 games next year barring injury,

Da_Chief · 07-03-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

No he isnt.

He has played 1 full NHL season...bridge deals happen after that and before signing long term.

I think he is. He had his ELC. Then signed a 2 year deal. Had a good year last year and hopefully continues to progress which would mean 3 good years in a row which includes a 2 year bridge contract.