[Signing] Iginla to Colorado (3yrs, $5.3mil AAV)

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Dion

I agree that 3 years was not something the Bruins would offer. Frankly 3 years is too risky based on Iginla's age and declining foot speed.

I'm disappointed he didn't take less money and term to stay in Boston. He was an excelent fit on the top line and the Bruins grinding style of game.

Colorado could become a better team but they would have to get past any of Chicago, St. Louis, Los Angeles, Anahiem and San Jose to reach the finals. In the East it's a heck of alot easier for Boston with all the best teams being in the West.

You keep speaking as though he turned Boston down. Was there any indication they even offered? They are in a real bind with their cap and may have to sell off assets they don't want to move just to cover his bonuses from last season. You seem to be letting your feelings for Boston colour your thinking here.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

If you take injuries out of the equation, that's not that far off a 30 goal pace especially with how the two of them tend to be cold and then red hot.

Colorado is all offence and has a lot of young creative dynamic players. It would be silly to conclude he can't score 30 there.

He was freaking amazing in March with the Bruins... 13 goals in 17 games....

Prior to that... playing in Boston he had 17 goals in 58 games playing with elite linemates.

Last year RoR 28, Mackinnon 24, Laneskog 26, Duchense 23 are the returning top goal scorers for the Avs...... If Iginla scores 30 and is the top goal scorer on this team as a 37 year old... it will be a major addition to his legend..


He also has the extra travel is playing in a much tougher conference --- having the dooormats being Nashville and Winnipeg is considerably tougher to play against and score on than Buffalo and Florida.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He was freaking amazing in March with the Bruins... 13 goals in 17 games....

Prior to that... playing in Boston he had 17 goals in 58 games playing with elite linemates.

Last year RoR 28, Mackinnon 24, Laneskog 26, Duchense 23 are the returning top goal scorers for the Avs...... If Iginla scores 30 and is the top goal scorer on this team as a 37 year old... it will be a major addition to his legend..


He also has the extra travel is playing in a much tougher conference --- having the dooormats being Nashville and Winnipeg is considerably tougher to play against and score on than Buffalo and Florida.

Do you have a point? Or are you just sharing random thoughts? I'm not certain of what you're trying to say...

Iginla has scored 30+ goals in 12 of the last 13 seasons (with the lockout one being the only miss). To conclude he won't score 30 goals again is definitely a pretty strange thing to focus in on.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You keep speaking as though he turned Boston down. Was there any indication they even offered? They are in a real bind with their cap and may have to sell off assets they don't want to move just to cover his bonuses from last season. You seem to be letting your feelings for Boston colour your thinking here.

The talk I heard all spring was that Iginla and his agent were looking for a 3 year term. Now i'm speculating of course but I think if Iginla had lowered his salary demands, term and was willing to work with Charelli on fining a fit, the Bruins may have found a spot for him. Charelli wanted him back I believe he tried his best to find a spot for Iginla. Clearly 5 mill plus and 3 years was too rich for the Bruins considering their cap issues.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

"only got 30"

Not much room for error when someone was guarantying 30 with the Avs

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Dion

The talk I heard all spring was that Iginla and his agent were looking for a 3 year term. Now i'm speculating of course but I think if Iginla had lowered his salary demands, term and was willing to work with Charelli on fining a fit, the Bruins may have found a spot for him. Charelli wanted him back I believe he tried his best to find a spot for Iginla. Clearly 5 mill plus and 3 years was too rich for the Bruins considering their cap issues.

That's a lot of uncertainty and variables you aren't sure of to reach the conclusion he turned down Boston for Colorado. You're judging him as a Bruins fan who's angry he couldn't stay there. Not looking at it objectively.

[sureLoss]

Isles offered Iggy 4 years

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
According to sources, #Isles were more than competitive with offers to targeted FAs: Offered 3 years to Dan Boyle, 4 years to Jarome Iginla.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

That's a lot of uncertainty and variables you aren't sure of to reach the conclusion he turned down Boston for Colorado. You're judging him as a Bruins fan who's angry he couldn't stay there. Not looking at it objectively.

I followed the Bruins closely in regards to the contract issues regarding Iginla.

At that point, Iginla will have a decision. He will return to Boston on a one-year, bonus-heavy contract to chase the Stanley Cup that’s given him the slip since his NHL debut in 1996, or the right wing will elect the security of a multiyear contract — with a team less powerful than the Bruins, most likely — and join his fourth organization in just over 15 months.

“If we don’t get Jarome signed and fit into our salary structure, I’m not going to go out hard and try to find a replacement for two reasons: The annual cost and the term are going to be really expensive,” said Chiarelli. “So we may sit back a bit, wait until that market goes through, and maybe look to the secondary market. At the same time that market goes through, there may be a stronger trade market. We may look to that market.”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...wbO/story.html

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Dion

The talk I heard all spring was that Iginla and his agent were looking for a 3 year term. Now i'm speculating of course but I think if Iginla had lowered his salary demands, term and was willing to work with Charelli on fining a fit, the Bruins may have found a spot for him. Charelli wanted him back I believe he tried his best to find a spot for Iginla. Clearly 5 mill plus and 3 years was too rich for the Bruins considering their cap issues.

Well, if Cammy would have done that, odds are he would be a Flame as well.

Why should any player turn down less money and why in turn should anyone begrudge a player for getting both money and term?

Hockey careers are short. Maybe Iginla feels he has as good a chance for not only extending his career but also chasing a cup in Colorado as he does in Boston. And it certainly is not Iginla's fault that the Bruins are dealing with cap issues either.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

How do you see them getting 2 top pairing defenseman in the next 3 years?

They can trade for one, or sign one if one comes available next year. The Flames could have a pending UFA named Giordano that they need to make a decision on.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by redforever

Well, if Cammy would have done that, odds are he would be a Flame as well.

Why should any player turn down less money and why in turn should anyone begrudge a player for getting both money and term?

Hockey careers are short. Maybe Iginla feels he has as good a chance for not only extending his career but also chasing a cup in Colorado as he does in Boston. And it certainly is not Iginla's fault that the Bruins are dealing with cap issues either.

All I heard from Iginla during the season and into the spring was how he liked playing in Boston and that it was great city for his family to live in. He also talked about wanting to play for the Bruins again feeling it was a good fit for his game.

I don't begrudge players for trying to get the money and term, it's just all the talk he made last season and into the spring that has left me confused as to what he is really playing for. Money or the best chance at winning a Cup?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Dion

I followed the Bruins closely in regards to the contract issues regarding Iginla.





http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...wbO/story.html

They would have had to move pieces to fit him in. Your first link was a reporter speaking, and we have no idea what Boston did or didn't do to fit him in, or if an offer was even made. It could very well be they looked at moving a d-man like Boychuck would see an awful return.

Regardless, concluding he turned down Boston to chase dollars seems like a real stretch at this point, especially coming from a Bruins fan clearly trying to spin it that way.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

They would have had to move pieces to fit him in. Your first link was a reporter speaking, and we have no idea what Boston did or didn't do to fit him in, or if an offer was even made. It could very well be they looked at moving a d-man like Boychuck would see an awful return.

Regardless, concluding he turned down Boston to chase dollars seems like a real stretch at this point, especially coming from a Bruins fan clearly trying to spin it that way.

I don't think it's a real stretch, look at what Richards signed for and his term with Chicago? Chicago has cap issues also and Richards did his best to accomidate the Hawks to get a contract. Iginla could said I'll take less and a 1 year term to Charelli to make it work but he didn't.

"Jarome wants to stay and we're trying to find a spot for him, but we're both big boys; if we can't, we can't," Chiarelli said Friday morning. "Certainly we're both trying to work at it."

Chiarelli indicated he might have to make a trade to move some salary in order to offer Iginla a multi-year contract. He's not sure if he's willing to do that, but said he is getting a lot of attention from general managers around the League who are aware of his predicament.

The Bruins would have an easier time re-signing Iginla and keeping his salary-cap charge at a reduced rate if he was willing to agree to another one-year, bonus-laden contract. He was on a one-year, bonus-laden contract last season that carried a cap charge of $1.8 million, but he was eligible for $4.2 million in bonuses that were tacked on to Boston's 2014-15 salary cap.

Bonus-laden contracts are available to players who are 35 and older, but can only carry a term of one year. Iginla, who will turn 37 on July 1, will likely be able to get a multi-year contract with a higher salary-cap charge from another team that isn't under the same cap constraints as Boston.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=724124

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Dion

All I heard from Iginla during the season and into the spring was how he liked playing in Boston and that it was great city for his family to live in. He also talked about wanting to play for the Bruins again feeling it was a good fit for his game.

I don't begrudge players for trying to get the money and term, it's just all the talk he made last season and into the spring that has left me confused as to what he is really playing for. Money or the best chance at winning a Cup?

Of course he liked Boston and he made no bones about that fact. But I think it also became obvious that Boston had cap issues and could not fit him into their system so he went to plan B.

And for Iginla, who has always been a family man, I really doubt he wants to chase the cup and move his family every year.

Iginla has also said he would like to play until he is 40ish. This puts him in that ballpark so maybe it is both fulfilling some of his goals as well as supplying stability for his family and money for his future.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

They can trade for one, or sign one if one comes available next year. The Flames could have a pending UFA named Giordano that they need to make a decision on.

To me, that seems like a big stumbling block - as big as a No 1 C - as they don't come onto the market often, and when they do.... its big big cash. I don't see Gio going to UFA. LA is miles ahead of the Avs because they have Doughty, Chicago has Keith, Boston has Chara... to me, top pairing d-man aren't that easy to trade. I don't see the Avs making it to the conference finals during Iginla's 3 years there.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Dion

I don't think it's a real stretch, look at what Richards signed for and his term with Chicago? Chicago has cap issues also and Richards did his best to accomidate the Hawks to get a contract. Iginla could said I'll take less and a 1 year term to Charelli to make it work but he didn't.

Charelli's own quote made it sound as though they were completely comfortable exploring other options, and again, they would have had to make moves to even begin entertaining re-signing him.

You can say what you like, but all of your posts clearly contain disappointment in looking at this from the perspective of a Bruins fan.

From Iginla's point of view, it was very evident they would have had trouble re-signing him, and he is justified in thinking Colorado gives him a good chance at winning as well.

If you'd think it through you'd see you're letting your bias trying to paint this situation.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Charelli's own quote made it sound as though they were completely comfortable exploring other options, and again, they would have had to make moves to even begin entertaining re-signing him.

You can say what you like, but all of your posts clearly contain disappointment in looking at this from the perspective of a Bruins fan.

From Iginla's point of view, it was very evident they would have had trouble re-signing him, and he is justified in thinking Colorado gives him a good chance at winning as well.

If you'd think it through you'd see you're letting your bias trying to paint this situation.

They would have to make moves to offer him a 3 year contract.

I'm not dissapointed, just confused, as I posted to redforever, as to weather he's after money or the best fit to win a Cup.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by redforever

Of course he liked Boston and he made no bones about that fact. But I think it also became obvious that Boston had cap issues and could not fit him into their system so he went to plan B.

And for Iginla, who has always been a family man, I really doubt he wants to chase the cup and move his family every year.

Bruins stated they couldn't offer him a 3 year term. Clearly he wasn't interested in signing a 1 year bonus ladened contract.

Iginla has also said he would like to play until he is 40ish. This puts him in that ballpark so maybe it is both fulfilling some of his goals as well as supplying stability for his family and money for his future.

Could very well be.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm not dissapointed, just confused, as I posted to redforever, as to weather he's after money or the best fit to win a Cup.

Which is because you're looking at it from a biased perspective of a Bruins fan who's upset Boston couldn't keep him. It's clear you're trying to give it that slant.

Colorado gives him money, term and a team trending up. Boston did not look like the same team this year, and it is by no means a given they are improving.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Which is because you're looking at it from a biased perspective of a Bruins fan who's upset Boston couldn't keep him. It's clear you're trying to give it that slant.

Colorado gives him money, term and a team trending up. Boston did not look like the same team this year, and it is by no means a given they are improving.

Agree to disagree.