[Signing] Flames sign Deryk Engelland (3yrs, $2.9M AAV) - Page 13 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Ring of Fire · 07-01-2014, 01:57 PM

Burke Salad · 07-01-2014, 01:57 PM

Bad contract, at least therm isn't overwhelming. A big fat MEH on this one.

VladtheImpaler · 07-01-2014, 01:57 PM

Cap floor met? Check.
McDavid/Eichel still within reach? Check.

Relax, friends - yes, it's a horrible contract, but think of the big picture...

GreenLantern2814 · 07-01-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

The same reason SOB was bought out, even though he was only to be paid 2.2M this season. Bigger contracts lead to bigger expectations(both from the team and the player) which lead to bigger disappointments when a player doesn't deliver. The moment he starts being a healthy scratch, it will be very difficult to keep him as an overpaid 7th D, and its a slippery road to the minors and a buyout from there.

Shane O'Brien was bought out because he wasn't buying in to what the Flames were doing. It had nothing to do with 'bigger contracts = bigger expectations".

The Flames expect Engelland to come in and be Deryk Engelland. Not Drew Doughty.

Ashasx · 07-01-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

But we do need to add some physical toughness to our blue line. Eggeland is a stop-gap. The money isn't going to screw our efforts to build the team over the next three years, and it isn't my money. So big, fat, hairy, deal.

Good to see you're still crying over and over and over and over and over and over and over again about everything.

Gio, Smid, Wideman are all physical. You shouldn't go out of your way to ridiculously overpay one guy just because he's physical.

And glad to see you think I'm whining. Clearly I'm just steaming mad. I can't even see straight.

Or is this just how you respond to somebody who disagrees with you? "crying over and over". You do more crying over my posts when you have a very easy solution to deal with it.

theoforever · 07-01-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_wmh

It's not crazy. Your hyperbole, is an emotional over-reaction.

It's irrelevant to compare to Brodie, as I said completely different types of defensemen. You need both types on a good team.

It's a calculated, strategic signing, necessary player in our D Corps, that doesn't have any serious grit, in lieu of a captain we don't want in the box.

With young forwards it helps to have grit no doubt, but you still have to move the puck out of the zone.

Still one of worst overpayments of the day.

trackercowe · 07-01-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I personally would take almost every single one of those dmen over Engelland but that is just me.

I probably would as well, but many of them are signed to 4-5 years deals. That's the biggest difference there if you ask me. A longer term deal would have been the wrong direction to take. This way by the time we hopefully get through the rebuild there will only be a year (or nothing) left on the contact.

BlackWallStreet · 07-01-2014, 01:59 PM

Read Only · 07-01-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Because he takes up a roster spot maybe?

I'm done arguing with you anyway.

Are the Flames close to the 50 contract limit?

Seems like he just replaces SOB in the roster and if not him likely needed to sign someone for the 6/7th defenseman.

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

The same reason SOB was bought out, even though he was only to be paid 2.2M this season. Bigger contracts lead to bigger expectations(both from the team and the player) which lead to bigger disappointments when a player doesn't deliver. The moment he starts being a healthy scratch, it will be very difficult to keep him as an overpaid 7th D, and its a slippery road to the minors and a buyout from there.

SOB was bought out because of reported bad attitude and the team not wanting him around.

Englland by all reports is the opposite so even if not playing still a fine guy to have in PB to fill in for injuries.

burnitdown · 07-01-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Read Only

Can someone explain how or why this contract is going to be bought out when we are almost 20 million below cap this year with little to no huge raises coming up next year, no real reason to believe we will be signing a ton of FA's to huge deals in the next offseason, the cap almost certainly going up the next two years and even questionable that we would be near the cap in year 3 of this deal.

It is 2.9 million dollars for a team that should be nowhere near the cap over the length of the deal. Why would they ever have to buy him out?

Especially when Wideman will be making 5.5 over that same time period.

Why did we buy out Shane O'Brien then if we have so much cap room? Cause he sucked, got sent to the minors and it's better to just move on.

I get that it's ok cause we have cap space...but it makes a lot more sense to overspend on young UFAs or reclammation projects if you're going to go that road. Maybe one of them hits and you have a top 6 forward or top pairing defence. What's Engelland's best case scenario, being that he's 32 and has always been in/out of the lineup? Maybe he proves he can handle himself in his own zone and regularly play on the 3rd pairing? At $2.9M, he'll have to play on the 2nd pairing to even come close to meeting this contract.

trackercowe · 07-01-2014, 02:00 PM

Panger just said the demand for right handed dmen in free agency was extremely high, which probably explains why so many teams were in on Englland today.

Calgary4LIfe · 07-01-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

The same reason SOB was bought out, even though he was only to be paid 2.2M this season. Bigger contracts lead to bigger expectations(both from the team and the player) which lead to bigger disappointments when a player doesn't deliver. The moment he starts being a healthy scratch, it will be very difficult to keep him as an overpaid 7th D, and its a slippery road to the minors and a buyout from there.

SOB was bought out because of his lack of buy-in to the Flames hard-working culture. They didn't even want him around the kids. Had SOB been a hard-working player, even with the exact same results, the Flames would not have bought him out.

Gaskal · 07-01-2014, 02:00 PM

So apparently here are our FA needs before today:

1.) Goalie to challenge Ramo: Hiller
2.) Big physical bottom 6 d-man: Engelland
3.) Winger - (I suppose they wanted big but no dice) Raymond

Anything we're missing?

photon · 07-01-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I personally would take almost every single one of those dmen over Engelland but that is just me.

Maybe, for sure at least some of them, but were every single one of those D available? Were every single one of them available willing to come to Calgary?

Comparing numbers out of context doesn't allow for a good evaluation of a move.

Resolute 14 · 07-01-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Clearly I'm just steaming mad. I can't even see straight.

You obviously are.

crying baby dot gif

getbak · 07-01-2014, 02:01 PM

One thing that the bigger money does is open the door for a Wideman trade. Now they don't have to hold on to him just to reach the floor.

It's funny that if the Flames trade Wideman and retain $2.5M in salary, people will probably be happier about that than they are to pay $2.9M to Engelland.

ComixZone · 07-01-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by burnitdown

Why did we buy out Shane O'Brien then if we have so much cap room? Cause he sucked, got sent to the minors and it's better to just move on.

Nope. He got shipped out and then bought out because of his attitude. He didn't buy into the "all in" that Hartley demanded from his players. O'Brien had known character issues prior to us acquiring him. Engelland, by all accounts - seems to be the exact opposite.

taco.vidal · 07-01-2014, 02:02 PM

Meh. Overpayment but this player isn't going to hurt this team.
Flames are going to be a hard team to play against. Opponents are not going to be able to take a night off against the Flames. Opponents will also have to keep their heads up and our younger, smaller players will be a little bigger with guys like this on the ice.

Ashasx · 07-01-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You obviously are.

crying baby dot gif

yep.

Once again, here on CP, if anyone disagrees, they are crying babies who are overreacting. The Flames simply cannot do any wrong. Sorry, I forgot.

Most posters in this thread thought this was a terrible contract before I even posted. Once I did, the wolves were on me like clockwork.

CalgaryFan1988 · 07-01-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Read Only

Are the Flames close to the 50 contract limit?

Seems like he just replaces SOB in the roster and if not him likely needed to sign someone for the 6/7th defenseman.

SOB was bought out because of reported bad attitude and the team not wanting him around.

Englland by all reports is the opposite so even if not playing still a fine guy to have in PB to fill in for injuries.

Some people, like you, try and justify moves their teams make no matter how bad they are. This should have been 2.9 over 3 years instead of per season. It is easily top 3 worst deal of the day, so far.