ISIS militants attack and take over Iraqi northern city of Mosul

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by jofillips

i sure bet calgary has them but have you seen the christian complexes and 'training camps' in red deer? They even have a religous supermarket there!!!
I find all those complexes more offensive than a mosque lol

Or Prince of Peace commuity off garden road and highway 1. I'm still convinced it is a cult. Also "victory village"

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Or Prince of Peace commuity off garden road and highway 1. I'm still convinced it is a cult. Also "victory village"

Well if we are going that far, the Hutterite, Amish, Mennonite, etc. communities all over Canada are basically that type of religious/culturally insulated community. The difference is most people are not scared of those groups developing any sort of radical/extremist/violent ideology and they've been part of this country for over a century.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Well if we are going that far, the Hutterite, Amish, Mennonite, etc. communities all over Canada are basically that type of religious/culturally insulated community. The difference is most people are not scared of those groups developing any sort of radical/extremist/violent ideology and they've been part of this country for over a century.

My grandfather was born into a mennonite community and the stories he had included much violence and ideology normal society would find extremist. There was a good reason to leave just like many people still do leave those isolated religeous communities. The only reason people are not worries is they stick to themselves and don't involve the greater community. Bountiful B.C FLDS are a perfect example of a cult along with their cousins in the USA.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jofillips

you seen the christian complexes and 'training camps' in red deer? They even have a religous supermarket there!!!

Eh?


Where, I want to see them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

My grandfather was born into a mennonite community and the stories he had included much violence and ideology normal society would find extremist. There was a good reason to leave just like many people still do leave those isolated religeous communities. The only reason people are not worries is they stick to themselves and don't involve the greater community. Bountiful B.C FLDS are a perfect example of a cult along with their cousins in the USA.

Well I wouldn't go and compare polygamists to the groups Hack mentioned. While there is of course violence and abuse among almost any religious group, by and far those 3 groups do not have much of a problem.

All 3 groups have various different kinds of issues, but for the most part members are stable, hardworking citizens of our country.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Or Prince of Peace commuity off garden road and highway 1. I'm still convinced it is a cult. Also "victory village"

I went to Prince of Peace for junior high back when it was a K-12 school. It wasn't really a cult, more of a retirement communtiy with a terrible school attached to fund more housing projects.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Or Prince of Peace commuity off garden road and highway 1. I'm still convinced it is a cult. Also "victory village"

All religion could be seen as a cult.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Buried behind the Israeli offensive and the Malaysian Flight being shot down, ISIS is proving to be the most evil and extreme terror group yet. Christians are being forced to convert or face execution and thousands have already been killed. And now this.

The UN says militant Islamist group Isis has ordered all women and girls in Mosul, northern Iraq, to undergo female genital mutilation (FGM).

UN official Jacqueline Badcock said the fatwa, or religious edict, applied to females between the ages of 11 and 46.

She said the unprecedented decree issued by the Islamists in control of the city was of grave concern.

Iraq is facing a radical Isis-led Sunni insurgency, with cities in the north-west under militant control.

The ritual cutting of girls' genitals is practised by some African, Middle Eastern and Asian communities in the belief it prepares them for adulthood or marriage.

FGM poses many health risks to women, including severe bleeding, problems urinating, infections, infertility and increased risk of newborn deaths in childbirth.

The UN General Assembly approved a resolution in December 2012 calling for all member states to ban the practice.

The Isis edict could affect nearly four million women and girls in and around the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, the UN warns.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28466434

[Thor]

Sickening.

[CaptainCrunch]

And this is why when you fight groups like this you have to exterminate them down to the last man. You take no prisoners because they're poisoned, you wipe them and their sickening ideology out of existence.

[Bill Bumface]

This is the time when you actually have a war people could get behind, but everyone is too weary from previous and more questionable* conflicts. Such a shame.

*Not trying to turn this thread into a debate about Iraq wars I and II... I know people have their reasons for supporting those conflicts, I just think public opinion would be a little less split when you're dealing with gangs mutilating little girls

[polak]

Now this something I would be fully in support of Canadian intervention.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

This is the time when you actually have a war people could get behind, but everyone is too weary from previous and more questionable* conflicts. Such a shame.

*Not trying to turn this thread into a debate about Iraq wars I and II... I know people have their reasons for supporting those conflicts, I just think public opinion would be a little less split when you're dealing with gangs mutilating little girls

Yeah I agree. The US inparticular has involved itself in so many conflicts where it wasn't exactly necessary and now when something happens that is actually worth the intervention, they have no trust from citizens (both their own and worldwide), and have spread themselves too thin militarily.

If there's going to be an outside intervention, it might have to be done without much US involvment. Which means it would take the cooperation of a decent amount of other nations.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by polak

Now this something I would be fully in support of Canadian intervention.

scary

[Free Ben Hur!]

It's such a scary world in 2014. It seems way worse today than at the height of the cold war with the doomsday clock at 3 minutes and Reagan swinging his imperialistic dick around all over the world.

The difference now is that the US have a much reduced ability to influence these events and every despotic leader and crack pot regime knows it. No one, outside of certain elements in the US, should be in anyway surprised that this kind of radical group has filled the power void in Iraq. People with any historical perspective and even a basic understanding of the peoples (tribes) of the region could see the only outcome of the war in Iraq being civil war.

These latest outrages of female circumcision and persecution of Christians, and other non-Muslims, are pieces of a larger package of crimes against humanity they will follow through on. I just don't see a practical solution to dealing with them. The Americans couldn't establish even basic rule of law and institutions after years of occupation and a trillion dollars spent. You know the world is in a pretty bad place when Saddam is a preferable option to keep some degree of stability in the region. Meanwhile Iran sits back and drinks it all in, laughing at the fact that the US have done all the heavy lifting for them. I suppose the wild card in all of this is Israeli nukes.

For the first time in my life I have real trepidation going to a news site or turning on the TV because there is so much brutality going on in so many places. The degree of lawlessness appears to be escalating. Scary times.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Free Ben Hur!

Meanwhile Iran sits back and drinks it all in, laughing at the fact that the US have done all the heavy lifting for them.

Iran and the US actually have shared interested in opposing ISIS and IIRC they have had mutual discussions about this. ISIS as an extremist Sunni force is against Iran as much as it is against the US. Their main opponents/victims in Iraq and Syria have been Shi'te muslims (of all sects) which constitute the majority of Iran. Iran has been vilified in rhetoric by ISIS leaders and if ISIS manages to establish their foothold, the conflict will spill over into Iran. Assad's sect is mainly Allawite Shi'tes and the controlling/government groups in Iraq were also Shi'te groups because of how the US structured it to keep out Saddam's sect/faction (mostly Sunnis). They have been basically told by their religious leaders that the Shi'tes are not even true Muslims and to kill them outright. It's ethnic cleansing.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Free Ben Hur!

It's such a scary world in 2014. It seems way worse today than at the height of the cold war with the doomsday clock at 3 minutes and Reagan swinging his imperialistic dick around all over the world.

The difference now is that the US have a much reduced ability to influence these events and every despotic leader and crack pot regime knows it. No one, outside of certain elements in the US, should be in anyway surprised that this kind of radical group has filled the power void in Iraq. People with any historical perspective and even a basic understanding of the peoples (tribes) of the region could see the only outcome of the war in Iraq being civil war.

These latest outrages of female circumcision and persecution of Christians, and other non-Muslims, are pieces of a larger package of crimes against humanity they will follow through on. I just don't see a practical solution to dealing with them. The Americans couldn't establish even basic rule of law and institutions after years of occupation and a trillion dollars spent. You know the world is in a pretty bad place when Saddam is a preferable option to keep some degree of stability in the region. Meanwhile Iran sits back and drinks it all in, laughing at the fact that the US have done all the heavy lifting for them. I suppose the wild card in all of this is Israeli nukes.

For the first time in my life I have real trepidation going to a news site or turning on the TV because there is so much brutality going on in so many places. The degree of lawlessness appears to be escalating. Scary times.

The world does suck ass right now, but I'll take this crap over the threat of total annihilation constantly hanging over your head pretty much every day. We could be heading back to it though, depending on how much Putin's gonna Putin.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by polak

Now this something I would be fully in support of Canadian intervention.

Great. When are you enlisting?

[nik-]

As horrible as this is, how do you intervene in what's basically going to turn into a holy war? This is a cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia ... do we really want either side to win?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by nik-

As horrible as this is, how do you intervene in what's basically going to turn into a holy war? This is a cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia ... do we really want either side to win?

It would be really nice if there was some way to offer up asylum to anyone who wants to remove themselves from the conflict. Not necessarily (only) Canada, but a variety of countries offering up refugee status to anyone who does not want to be involved in the fighting and are willing to leave (ie, basically regular citizens who don't want to live in fear of death/torture/violence every single day).

Let those who want to fight have at er in the middle of the desert and kill each other off.