How much will Toews and Kane get?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Azure

If they were smart they would take less so Chicago can actually build a 2nd line and have better defensive depth, but that probably won't happen so I hope both of them are happy with being a one line team for the rest of their existence in Chicago.

Yup. Their 2 salaries combined are going to handcuff the Hawks going forward. More than ever they'd better hope they draft good and develop players.

[Monahan23]

Originally Posted by Jacks

It's been widely reported that the Hawks want to extend Toews and Kane right away so they can plan their cap situation in the future but how much will they get?

a lot, I'd be willing to bet

[ForeverFlameFan]

8 year, 68M deals for both (8.5m AAV).

[T@T]

I'll take a wild stab at what they'll get.

Toews 8 yrs @ 8.800.000.00 per.

Kane 8 yrs @ 8.800.000.20 per.

Just a hunch.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yup. Their 2 salaries combined are going to handcuff the Hawks going forward. More than ever they'd better hope they draft good and develop players.

I don't see it. Every other team's star players will be getting $8+ million dollar contracts as well.

If anything the Hossa contract will become a burden in 3-5 years. I'm sure they will be able to unload it somewhere though.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Azure

If they were smart they would take less so Chicago can actually build a 2nd line and have better defensive depth, but that probably won't happen so I hope both of them are happy with being a one line team for the rest of their existence in Chicago.

If they were smart they'd try to earn as much as possible in a short career. They both have been underpaid over the past few years. Let management figure it out. Only in sports do we expect people to take less money for the good of the a company that I'm sure is rolling in money.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If they were smart they'd try to earn as much as possible in a short career. They both have been underpaid over the past few years. Let management figure it out. Only in sports do we expect people to take less money for the good of the a company that I'm sure is rolling in money.

Its not for the good of the company. It is for the good of a team that has to win and have success in a cap world.

They're both great players, but they can't win everything by themselves.

Handzus was their 2nd line center. Not exactly great depth there.

Leddy and Rosival were their 5/6 guys. Not exactly great depth there.

They need a balanced team.

LA won the cup again because they have a very balanced team.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I'm sure they will be able to unload it somewhere though.

Maybe... only way I see it being unloaded is if there is some team with a tight internal budget who would be happy to take the recapture penalty to help make the floor without spending actual dollars.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its not for the good of the company. It is for the good of a team that has to win and have success in a cap world.

They're both great players, but they can't win everything by themselves.

Handzus was their 2nd line center. Not exactly great depth there.

Leddy and Rosival were their 5/6 guys. Not exactly great depth there.

They need a balanced team.

LA won the cup again because they have a very balanced team.

LA barely got past Chicago too, and got taken out by them last year. Toews and Kane can still afford to get paid, and there is enough money left for the Blackhawks to still put a pretty balanced team around them. It's not like Kopitar or Doughty took fewer dollars to stay with the Kings when they signed their deals, and Jonathan Quick has a nice long contract on top of that term they still have committed to Richards and Carter.

If Kane and Toews don't take the money....someone else on that Hawks team who does a lot less will be overpaid to stick around.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Maybe... only way I see it being unloaded is if there is some team with a tight internal budget who would be happy to take the recapture penalty to help make the floor without spending actual dollars.

Recapture penalties stay with the team that had the benefit unless something changed that in this CBA.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Recapture penalties stay with the team that had the benefit unless something changed that in this CBA.

Damnit. You're right... I forgot about that. Never mind then, I now think that contract is untradeable. He's still a really good player but I think they'll get dinged for those 4 years at the end.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its not for the good of the company. It is for the good of a team that has to win and have success in a cap world.

They're both great players, but they can't win everything by themselves.

Handzus was their 2nd line center. Not exactly great depth there.

Leddy and Rosival were their 5/6 guys. Not exactly great depth there.

They need a balanced team.

LA won the cup again because they have a very balanced team.

They are the two best players on an elite team. Why should they take less so the team can pay Leddy and Rozsival (the guys you mention as poor depth) $4.9/million.

The Penguins problem isn't paying Malkin and Crosby big bucks... its paying $8.3 million for an average goalie (Fleury) and an overhill defenseman (Scuderi).


The Kings had/have two guys over $7M (Doughty/Gaborik), and 4 other guys over $5M (Quick, Kopitar, Brown, Richards and Carter). Its not like they are full of guys taking discounts. The two guys who are underpaid (Doughty/Kopitar) signed a long while back and weren't big discounts)

[Travis Munroe]

If your the hawks, do you look at dealing one of them + maybe your first to whomever wins the lottery for the upcoming draft?
Kane and Toews would still be young enough + you get a first still while Chicago can build around the one they keep and latch onto McDavids low cap hit for a few years.

[Poe969]

No, they don't trade either if them. Lots of other guys could be moved before either of them, Toews is a great player and awesome captain and Kane can just oltake over the game at times.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They are the two best players on an elite team. Why should they take less so the team can pay Leddy and Rozsival (the guys you mention as poor depth) $4.9/million.

The Penguins problem isn't paying Malkin and Crosby big bucks... its paying $8.3 million for an average goalie (Fleury) and an overhill defenseman (Scuderi).


The Kings had/have two guys over $7M (Doughty/Gaborik), and 4 other guys over $5M (Quick, Kopitar, Brown, Richards and Carter). Its not like they are full of guys taking discounts. The two guys who are underpaid (Doughty/Kopitar) signed a long while back and weren't big discounts)

Extremely poor comparisons. Leddy and Rozsival are not worth $4.9 million. They are worth about a million per year, which is all the Blackhawks will be able to afford to pay their 5/6th defensemen if they sign Toews and Kane to massive deals.

Crawford, who isn't an elite goalie either, as evidenced by his crappy playoffs is making $6 million. Not exactly a bang for your buck contract. Their 2nd line center, as I mentioned, is Handzus, who who probably be a 3rd line center on the Flames and they finished much lower in the standings. Not exactly a great showing of depth.

As for the Kings...Gaborik is no lock to resign with the Kings, and given that they only had him for a few months, you can't possibly use him as an example. Richards and Carter are great examples of star players making less money allowing their team to add more depth to the lineup.

Over $5 million isn't exactly much for players like Kopitar, Quick, Brown and others. People here are saying Toews and Kane should take the full $12 million per year, which would be more than double what all those guys make, and Kopitar is arguably as good as Toews is.

But hey, tie up $24 million in two guys for 10 years and let them play without any help for as long.

Especially a guy like Kane, who as skilled as he is, didn't exactly show up till the 3rd round. He can take over a game if he wants, but how often does he just float around? Is that a guy you want to pay $12 million per year too? Look at Malkin. World class skill, but not exactly a guy the Penguins can depend on.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Azure

Extremely poor comparisons. Leddy and Rozsival are not worth $4.9 million. They are worth about a million per year, which is all the Blackhawks will be able to afford to pay their 5/6th defensemen if they sign Toews and Kane to massive deals.

Crawford, who isn't an elite goalie either, as evidenced by his crappy playoffs is making $6 million. Not exactly a bang for your buck contract. Their 2nd line center, as I mentioned, is Handzus, who who probably be a 3rd line center on the Flames and they finished much lower in the standings. Not exactly a great showing of depth.

As for the Kings...Gaborik is no lock to resign with the Kings, and given that they only had him for a few months, you can't possibly use him as an example. Richards and Carter are great examples of star players making less money allowing their team to add more depth to the lineup.

Over $5 million isn't exactly much for players like Kopitar, Quick, Brown and others. People here are saying Toews and Kane should take the full $12 million per year, which would be more than double what all those guys make, and Kopitar is arguably as good as Toews is.

But hey, tie up $24 million in two guys for 10 years and let them play without any help for as long.

Especially a guy like Kane, who as skilled as he is, didn't exactly show up till the 3rd round. He can take over a game if he wants, but how often does he just float around? Is that a guy you want to pay $12 million per year too? Look at Malkin. World class skill, but not exactly a guy the Penguins can depend on.

Neither are getting $12 million, don't be silly.

You don't get into cap hell by giving Kane and Toews their money. That happens when some fool gives Tomas Vanek whatever he wants July 1st. These players have earned theirs, and whatever they get when they do extend for another 8 years is still going to be below what they would have received on the open market.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Azure

Crawford, who isn't an elite goalie either, as evidenced by his crappy playoffs is making $6 million. Not exactly a bang for your buck contract. Their 2nd line center, as I mentioned, is Handzus, who who probably be a 3rd line center on the Flames and they finished much lower in the standings. Not exactly a great showing of depth.

Crappy? I thought he was pretty good in the playoffs.

[Canada 02]

Bob McKenzie says they are asking for 12M per year

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455746

[Hackey]

12 million? That definitely sounds steep. 9-10 is still a lot but seems more realistic.

[Keselke]

Should get around 10m AAV

No different than Crosby or Malkin getting 8.7 in proportion to where the cap was when they signed their current contracts